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Last Man Standing was as flavorless as it got as far as comedy, I won't miss it. That being said, it sounds like it was the victim of political crossfire, and I say this as someone opposed to the current administration. The show wasn't the enemy. ABC greenlighted because it was a different point of view in the landscape at the time. It's hardly the first show starring a conservative family member. Flushing it now isn't really going to change anyone's views.

Allen probably put his foot in his mouth when he compared himself to being in 1930s Germany with his views in Hollywood.



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glimmer_of_hope said:
NanakiXI said:
To much projecting of personal feelings and misinterpreting in this thread to be a viable discussion. If people either responding to the OP or the OP himself would just take a moment to actually understand and discuss with each other and not dismiss the other persons views completely. Then we could have a civil and constructive conversation and maybe even learn how to fix problems. Left, middle or right; regardless we are going to have to live with each other wether we like it or not.

I agree, but I can't sit idle when being attacked personally....I never will. The crazy thing is like i said before im neither left nor right. And to be clear it is easier for me to say left/right because i'm Canadian. We have Liberal/Conservative so it just easier instead of Lib/Con/Rep/Dem..... 

It only takes a junior high level reading skill to see the biased leaking out of your statement.

"Why is the Left so against free speech?"

"Google censoring and demonitizing Right leaning views."

Calling out the Left for doing something the Right is doing, while at the same time using the word "demonitizing" trying to play the Right as the victim - despite the fact that again they are doing the same

It is clear reading the blaze/breitbart got you all angry. The question is - why did you come to a website you rarely use (500 post in 6 years), to create a thread (that you haven't done in 4 years), and proceed to avoid all valid points and only pick at the hostile ones.



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Damn I actually liked the show. It was actually funny. Sitcoms have been largley awful the last few years especially since Community went away. Sucks. Fuck ABC.



glimmer_of_hope said:

Approximately 2 months after Tim Allen said in an interview with Jimmy Kimmel that Hollywood acts like "1930's Germany" for basically having conservative views the show was cancelled even after having strong ratings.

 

This follows on the heals of other communist like actions from the intolerant Left such as:

Shutting down Milo Yiannopoulos twitter account and protesting his Berkeley speech.

Protesting Ann Coulter again trying to speak at Berkeley.

Google censoring and demonitizing Right leaning views.

 

Why is the Left so against free speech? Why must they protest anyone that has a different opinion from theirs?

 

http://www.theblaze.com/news/2017/05/11/abc-cancels-conservative-last-man-standing-despite-the-shows-successful-ratings/

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r7rpWLLPQSA&t=178s

Reformulating that to avoid generalizations could make it both more accurate and avoid antagonizing people.

 

"Why is the Left so against free speech? " 

to 

"Why have we seen several left-leaning groups show opposition to free speach?

 

 

 

I'd just straight-up prefer if you didn't make this hard categorizations, at all. They hurt debate, and ultimately your position - as you naturally get opposition from people that feel attacked by being associated to what you are criticizing.

If you just made a list of recent examples of breach of free speech WITHOUT making any further assumptions/associations (and instead, perhaps, arguing why you find this worrying/ what dangers are associated), you could have found support to your concerns instead of indignation. 



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glimmer_of_hope said:
NanakiXI said:
To much projecting of personal feelings and misinterpreting in this thread to be a viable discussion. If people either responding to the OP or the OP himself would just take a moment to actually understand and discuss with each other and not dismiss the other persons views completely. Then we could have a civil and constructive conversation and maybe even learn how to fix problems. Left, middle or right; regardless we are going to have to live with each other wether we like it or not.

I agree, but I can't sit idle when being attacked personally....I never will. The crazy thing is like i said before im neither left nor right. And to be clear it is easier for me to say left/right because i'm Canadian. We have Liberal/Conservative so it just easier instead of Lib/Con/Rep/Dem..... 

I completely understand, feeling like your under attack can stress you out. You just got to keep a cool leveled head about it and kill them with kindness and reason. VgChartz tends to lean left and that's just the environment of this forum. They are not necessarily right about everything, but so aren't you. If any of us had the answers (including myself), then we'd be fixing it. Until then all we can do is leave everything out on the table for discussion and find a way to live in this new age of technology and everyone's opinion who wishes to be heard. This is not all directed towards you btw but I don't feel like replying to everyone's response.

 

Funny thing is, I live in the farthest southeast neighborhood of Chicago as possible (some call it the armpit of Chicago). I would say my friends range anywhere from extreme left to the extreme right as far as political views go. I love the hell out of them all, even if I think half of them are batshit crazy lol.



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Bandorr said:
glimmer_of_hope said:

I agree, but I can't sit idle when being attacked personally....I never will. The crazy thing is like i said before im neither left nor right. And to be clear it is easier for me to say left/right because i'm Canadian. We have Liberal/Conservative so it just easier instead of Lib/Con/Rep/Dem..... 

It only takes a junior high level reading skill to see the biased leaking out of your statement.

"Why is the Left so against free speech?"

"Google censoring and demonitizing Right leaning views."

Calling out the Left for doing something the Right is doing, while at the same time using the word "demonitizing" trying to play the Right as the victim - despite the fact that again they are doing the same

It is clear reading the blaze/breitbart got you all angry. The question is - why did you come to a website you rarely use (500 post in 6 years), to create a thread (that you haven't done in 4 years), and proceed to avoid all valid points and only pick at the hostile ones.

First off you don't know me. Just because I don't post often doesn't mean I don't ome here daily....which I do!

I don't read blaze/breitbart.........so.........

It's not about reading...it's about understanding! So because I say something about bias against the right......that make me right leaning? If I felt that Stephen Colbert got sacked for his Left leaning bias....I would blow a gasket too....or CNN. Im about eqality. 

It's amzing how the right can be bashed and no one says a thing. Or you show some support for the right and people call you out. Look how many anti Trump posts are on this site alone!

It's like when people say if you didn't vote for Hilary....you were auotmatically a Trump supporter. 

Do you think I can sit here and reply to evry single comment? I choose to reply to the ones I choose to reply. Most likely I reply to the ones that personally attack me....or pretend they know me



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glimmer_of_hope said:
Bandorr said:

It only takes a junior high level reading skill to see the biased leaking out of your statement.

"Why is the Left so against free speech?"

"Google censoring and demonitizing Right leaning views."

Calling out the Left for doing something the Right is doing, while at the same time using the word "demonitizing" trying to play the Right as the victim - despite the fact that again they are doing the same

It is clear reading the blaze/breitbart got you all angry. The question is - why did you come to a website you rarely use (500 post in 6 years), to create a thread (that you haven't done in 4 years), and proceed to avoid all valid points and only pick at the hostile ones.

First off you don't know me. Just because I don't post often doesn't mean I don't ome here daily....which I do!

I don't read blaze/breitbart.........so.........

It's not about reading...it's about understanding! So because I say something about bias against the right......that make me right leaning? If I felt that Stephen Colbert got sacked for his Left leaning bias....I would blow a gasket too....or CNN. Im about eqality. 

It's amzing how the right can be bashed and no one says a thing. Or you show some support for the right and people call you out. Look how many anti Trump posts are on this site alone!

It's like when people say if you didn't vote for Hilary....you were auotmatically a Trump supporter. 

Hypocrisy, in itself, is not an argument and shouldn't be called upon as a such.

What I'd really like out of your post (outside of removing the categorization) is an explanation of why you consider censorship to be bad, in these contexts, or in all contexts, if that is your position. 

You can't expect a productive discussion without that. In it's current state, your post just does not arouse more than "this is bad", "this is good" or personal insults.



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glimmer_of_hope said:
Bandorr said:

It only takes a junior high level reading skill to see the biased leaking out of your statement.

"Why is the Left so against free speech?"

"Google censoring and demonitizing Right leaning views."

Calling out the Left for doing something the Right is doing, while at the same time using the word "demonitizing" trying to play the Right as the victim - despite the fact that again they are doing the same

It is clear reading the blaze/breitbart got you all angry. The question is - why did you come to a website you rarely use (500 post in 6 years), to create a thread (that you haven't done in 4 years), and proceed to avoid all valid points and only pick at the hostile ones.

First off you don't know me. Just because I don't post often doesn't mean I don't ome here daily....which I do!

I don't read blaze/breitbart.........so.........

It's not about reading...it's about understanding! So because I say something about bias against the right......that make me right leaning? If I felt that Stephen Colbert got sacked for his Left leaning bias....I would blow a gasket too....or CNN. Im about eqality. 

It's amzing how the right can be bashed and no one says a thing. Or you show some support for the right and people call you out. Look how many anti Trump posts are on this site alone!

It's like when people say if you didn't vote for Hilary....you were auotmatically a Trump supporter. 

You don't read blaze.. but you link to the blaze. You don't read blaze/breitbart -but they just BOTH happen to have articles about this recently? So it is just coincidence that you created a thread for the first time in 4 years.. that just happens to be echoing what BOTH of those are saying right now?

Your writing shows who you are. It is quite clear to anyone that reads your writing that you were demonizing one group, and playing the victim card for the other.

Compare ""Why is the Left so against free speech? " to  "Why have we seen several left-leaning groups show opposition to free speach?

And you will see it is light and dark. One is overflowing with bias, and one is trying to be rational.

The blaze fired someone for what they said. For or against? Republicans are up in arms over what colbert said on his LATE NIGHT show. For or against?

Trump sued twitter trying to unmask an account because of what they said. Literally him trying to stifle free speech. For or against?

That is just three examples recently.



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Bandorr said:
glimmer_of_hope said:

I agree, but I can't sit idle when being attacked personally....I never will. The crazy thing is like i said before im neither left nor right. And to be clear it is easier for me to say left/right because i'm Canadian. We have Liberal/Conservative so it just easier instead of Lib/Con/Rep/Dem..... 

It only takes a junior high level reading skill to see the biased leaking out of your statement.

"Why is the Left so against free speech?"

"Google censoring and demonitizing Right leaning views."

Calling out the Left for doing something the Right is doing, while at the same time using the word "demonitizing" trying to play the Right as the victim - despite the fact that again they are doing the same

It is clear reading the blaze/breitbart got you all angry. The question is - why did you come to a website you rarely use (500 post in 6 years), to create a thread (that you haven't done in 4 years), and proceed to avoid all valid points and only pick at the hostile ones.

You're really bashful aren't you? Let me ask you this. Is your opinion so great because your frequency of posting on an Internet forum for video games exceeds his? If it bothers you so much, shouldn't you just ignore it?

Also same could be said for your obviously "junior high level" response. Really didn't want to go there, but the whole kettle calling the pot black thing bothers me.



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NanakiXI said:
Bandorr said:

It only takes a junior high level reading skill to see the biased leaking out of your statement.

"Why is the Left so against free speech?"

"Google censoring and demonitizing Right leaning views."

Calling out the Left for doing something the Right is doing, while at the same time using the word "demonitizing" trying to play the Right as the victim - despite the fact that again they are doing the same

It is clear reading the blaze/breitbart got you all angry. The question is - why did you come to a website you rarely use (500 post in 6 years), to create a thread (that you haven't done in 4 years), and proceed to avoid all valid points and only pick at the hostile ones.

You're really bashful aren't you? Let me ask you this. Is your opinion so great because your frequency of posting on an Internet forum for video games exceeds his? If it bothers you so much, shouldn't you just ignore it?

Also same could be said for your obviously "junior high level" response. Really didn't want to go there, but the whole kettle calling the pot black thing bothers me.

You are connecting two thought that go together like oil and water. My opinion is not based on my amount of posts. It is the rarity of the thread creation,  not the posts themselves.

My question is the logic of this thread in the first place. Why would someone that post so rarely, and who hasn't created a thread in 4 years - choose a mostly video game website to discuss this?

What about this topic is special enough to warrant creating a thread after 4 years?

He could have 20,000,000 post and I would ask the exact same question.

And if someone is going to try and play semantics with "I didnt say I am left or right" I'm going to point out the glaring points.



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