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^ Eurogamer has been pretty much spot on on what they reveal about Switch.
I can't 100% confirm this, but i'm pretty that Emily or Laura - if not both, really - have confirmed that Stars is coming to Switch.



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DélioPT said:
rjason12 said:

Failed to support? Not really. They've released over 30 titles on both systems which is the usual amount that they release on a system.

                               

I don't know where you got those numbers or if you are also counting games they paid for instead of developing themselves or published titles.
Still, even if we count 30 for a single platform, with Wii U lasting 5 years, that would mean an average of 6 per year.

With 3DS fading and, according to Nintendo, not developing a successor; if also count mastering HD development, they better up their development next year and beyond.

 

A while ago someone made an infographic comparing how many titles they developed on past and present (Wii U, 3DS) to put to rest that argument. 

Found it. 

http://nintendoenthusiast.com/article/nintendos-consoles-total-retail-game-releases/

That was up to dec 31st 2015, my bad, it may not be as many as their older systems, but it's still a good bit. Plus that's without 2016/2017s offerings (which were obviously slim pickings) but if my count is correct it puts Wii U info having at least 40 in-house Nintendo games made for it.



rjason12 said:
DélioPT said:
                               

I don't know where you got those numbers or if you are also counting games they paid for instead of developing themselves or published titles.
Still, even if we count 30 for a single platform, with Wii U lasting 5 years, that would mean an average of 6 per year.

With 3DS fading and, according to Nintendo, not developing a successor; if also count mastering HD development, they better up their development next year and beyond.

 

A while ago someone made an infographic comparing how many titles they developed on past and present (Wii U, 3DS) to put to rest that argument. 

Found it. 

http://nintendoenthusiast.com/article/nintendos-consoles-total-retail-game-releases/

That was up to dec 31st 2015, my bad, it may not be as many as their older systems, but it's still a good bit. Plus that's without 2016/2017s offerings (which were obviously slim pickings) but if my count is correct it puts Wii U info having at least 40 in-house Nintendo games made for it.

Thanks for sharing that.

Although it really doesn't show what was Nintendo made (1st party), 2nd party made, Nintendo paid for (W101, B2, Lego City U) or if it even counts Nintendo published titles.
I'm focusing on Nintendo's 1st party efforts because those are the relevant ones and those are the ones their consoles do live off.

Also, i'm pretty sure you'll see in there small projects like the NES remix games, Dr. Luigi and Pushmo, which take a lot less time to develop.

I'm pretty sure i wasn't one of few to complain about Nintendo's support regarding Wii U.



MisterManGuy said:

Well, we'll see.

Oh I'm actually wrong about no one specifically saying Stars is just one version. Reading their article again, Eurogamer did indeed say it's a 3rd version along the same lines as Emerald and Platinum, and it will be exclusive to the Switch.

http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2016-11-18-nintendo-switch-will-get-pokemon-sun-and-moon-version



Einsam_Delphin said:
MisterManGuy said:

Well, we'll see.

Oh I'm actually wrong about no one specifically saying Stars is just one version. Reading their article again, Eurogamer did indeed say it's a 3rd version along the same lines as Emerald and Platinum, and it will be exclusive to the Switch.

http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2016-11-18-nintendo-switch-will-get-pokemon-sun-and-moon-version

Which is why I find that rumor hard to believe, because it makes no logical buisness sense. Why would you limit a third version of gen 8 to a console that didn't get the othter versions. The entire selling point of Pokemon, where trading between versions localy is what makes the series so popular. I think this may be one time when Eurogamer might be wrong. Of course, I could be wrong myself, but I still don't find it very plausable unless Sun and Moon get Switch ports as well.



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They're not NEEDED, but I won't deny that their streaming videos simply don't have the same feeling or excitement as the old E3 presentations did. Granted, not ALL of the E3 presentations were amazing. But the ones that WERE, rocked the show. I'll always miss those. E3 in general just hasn't felt "special" in a long time, regardless.



DélioPT said:
rjason12 said:

A while ago someone made an infographic comparing how many titles they developed on past and present (Wii U, 3DS) to put to rest that argument. 

Found it. 

http://nintendoenthusiast.com/article/nintendos-consoles-total-retail-game-releases/

That was up to dec 31st 2015, my bad, it may not be as many as their older systems, but it's still a good bit. Plus that's without 2016/2017s offerings (which were obviously slim pickings) but if my count is correct it puts Wii U info having at least 40 in-house Nintendo games made for it.

Thanks for sharing that.

Although it really doesn't show what was Nintendo made (1st party), 2nd party made, Nintendo paid for (W101, B2, Lego City U) or if it even counts Nintendo published titles.
I'm focusing on Nintendo's 1st party efforts because those are the relevant ones and those are the ones their consoles do live off.

Also, i'm pretty sure you'll see in there small projects like the NES remix games, Dr. Luigi and Pushmo, which take a lot less time to develop.

I'm pretty sure i wasn't one of few to complain about Nintendo's support regarding Wii U.

I believe in the article, they state that they don't count digital only titles in the counts, and I doubt it counts paid for titles. I believe it states that it's only Nintendo made titles that are not digital only titles, so stuff like Pokémon picross and the recent dr Mario games aren't counted.



MisterManGuy said:

Which is why I find that rumor hard to believe, because it makes no logical buisness sense. Why would you limit a third version of gen 8 to a console that didn't get the othter versions. The entire selling point of Pokemon, where trading between versions localy is what makes the series so popular. I think this may be one time when Eurogamer might be wrong. Of course, I could be wrong myself, but I still don't find it very plausable unless Sun and Moon get Switch ports as well.

Trading is not all there is to it, and regardless you can still trade between two games that are same version. Yeah there'll be no version exclusives but that hardly means there won't still be trading going on. Version exclusives likely make up the smallest portion of overall trades since there's only ever a handful of them and you only need to trade for one of each as you can breed from there.



DélioPT said:
Miyamotoo said:

I didn't!? 7 in-house games (for now) in 1st 9 months is not good enuf!? Blind man could see that Switch 1st 9 months shit all over full Wii Us 1st year, that's clear evidence.

Fact is that Nintendo Digital event or new Nintendo Spotlight is just bigger Nintendo Direct, it's basically ND with bigger announcements. So yes, if you doubt about "focus 2017. games" you have very clear example with last ND how they handeld "focus" and what "focus" means for them.

Like I wrote several times to you, beacuse 2017. games are games that will be out in near future (1-6 months), not in 1-2 years, so they want to have more infos and to promote them more because they will have much more time for 2018. titles later. Yes they can have even specific NDs, but E3 is biggest event, hell they even spend hole last E3 just to promote Zelda BotW that was Switch launch game.

Of Course, why they would need to speak about their 2018. games in January 2017. when they can talk about them at later date!? Last thing they want is to repeat Wii U mistakes were they announced games years in front. Suda and Atlus are not Nintendo. Guess what, FE is anncued at Fire Emblem ND, not in January event.

They did not failed promise with 3DS, 3DS had just slower output of games at start but 3DS received huge number of great games, even something similar could be said even for Wii U even it had shorter life span from obvious reason. Again, you need to realise that Switch is just 2 months on market, and only one month before 1st Switchs E3, and not even in half of 2017. I would understand you if we are at end of 2017. but we are not even in middle of 2017. and E3 yet needs to come. You sound like E3 passed, Nintendo didn't announced not single 2018. game at E3, and like there is no any evidence that Nintendo is working on any 2018, in other words you sound absurd, you do realise that you are only person here ho doubt about Switch 2018. in terms of games.

Zelda = port
1-2-Switch = new
MK8 = port
Arms = new
Splatoon 2 = new
Mario = new
Xenoblade 2 = new

From a in-house development standpoint, it's 5 new games specifically for Switch + 2 Wii U ports.
Am i forgetting anything?

No, E3 presentations aren't just better NDs. Both Digital Events show that they handled them differently - not to mention they save the best announcements for E3.

"hell they even spend hole last E3 just to promote Zelda BotW "
And you think this was their plan all along? What did they have left that significant? Paper Mario CS.
Again, have having games to promote this year - like all years - doesn't mean you can focus an E3 presentation on 2017 and 2018. Your argument is not good enough to convince me that you are right.
If they only had the presentation i could agree with you. But they have the showfloor, treehouse and a lot of time for NDs to focus on 2017 games. There's no real reason to sacrifice showing more of 2018 games in benefit of focusing primarly on 2017 games during E3. There just isn't.

And you are right, E3 IS the biggest event. So, it makes perfect sense to show more of what's coming, instead of using a ND to do that.

"They did not failed promise with 3DS, 3DS had just slower output of games at start "
 But this is exactly where they failed.
Of course they got better with time, but it was promised one way and happened in another way.
When they left Wii pretty much living of 3rd party titles for it's last 2 years it was so that 3DS wouldn't suffered a game drought, yet it happened.

The problem is not if we are close to launch or at the end of 2017.
The problem, as i see it, is them not using the stage (January and E3) to be more open on 2018 games.
They can put on stage companies talking about or revealing 2018 games, but somehow it's absurd if i ask the same of Nintendo? I can't see the logic in that.

So far no (we could easily have at least one more in-house game for end of 2017.). And like I wrote thats actually great 1st party support for 1st 9 months of console, blind man could see that Switch 1st 9 months shit all over full Wii Us 1st year, that's clear evidence. 

Actually yes, Nintendo Digital presentations-Spotlight are basically just bigger Nintendo Directs, with bigger and more announcements, but format is same. And you have clear example with last ND with "focus".

Of Course, Wii U was dead and they basically used last E3 to promote huge Switch launch game, and not just that E3, but Switch and Zelda BotW sales proves us that they done great job, while some people when Nintendo announced they plan that they will have just Zelda BotW on E3 that Nintendo is crazy, and like usually Nintendo prove them they are wrong.

Again, beacuse 2017. games are games that will be out in near future (1-6 months), not in 1-2 years, so they want to have more infos and to promote them more because they will have much more time for 2018. titles later. They not sacrifice anything, they will show some of 2018. games but they will just talk and gave us more infos about 2017. games, and that totally make sense because they are coming in relatively near future while they will later have more time for games that will be relased in 1-2 years.

Yes, E3 is biggest event and that why they will definitely talk about some 2018. games also.

But of course they failed to have strong output with 3DS on start when they were preparing Wii U launch also in same time. But Switch is completely different, they started strong out of gate and they very smart scheduled stronger game on around every 1.5 months in 1st 9 months of console on market and they will easily continue momentum. Also you ignoring point that Nintendo lifted 3DS support (almost all 2017. 3DS games are done by external teams), that basicly means that all Nintendo teams are working on games for Switch.

Problem is that you are very insecure, fact that are you any person here who doubt about 2018. games for Switch proves that. They didn't have any reason to talk about 2018. games in January 2017. and of course they will talk about some 2018. games now at E3. They dont need Stage, Nintendo love to do things on own way, and actually I like more Nintendo E3 plans than just live conference.

I dont see any point to continue with this, you dont want to see or you deny some clear and obvous facts, while you keep with some very weak and vague points, fact that you trying to compare Wii U with Switch proves that, because they are totally different especially in terms of games in 1st year and success. So I will not reply you any more on this matter, you can continue thinking that Switch is same like Wii U, that Nintendo will not talk about 2018. games at E3 and that Nintendo actually has problem with Switch games for 2018.



rjason12 said:
DélioPT said:

Thanks for sharing that.

Although it really doesn't show what was Nintendo made (1st party), 2nd party made, Nintendo paid for (W101, B2, Lego City U) or if it even counts Nintendo published titles.
I'm focusing on Nintendo's 1st party efforts because those are the relevant ones and those are the ones their consoles do live off.

Also, i'm pretty sure you'll see in there small projects like the NES remix games, Dr. Luigi and Pushmo, which take a lot less time to develop.

I'm pretty sure i wasn't one of few to complain about Nintendo's support regarding Wii U.

I believe in the article, they state that they don't count digital only titles in the counts, and I doubt it counts paid for titles. I believe it states that it's only Nintendo made titles that are not digital only titles, so stuff like Pokémon picross and the recent dr Mario games aren't counted.

You're right, they do exclude digital titles (although NES Remix still counts as it saw a physical release. Don't know about others).
They counted retail, which includes paid for titles, 2nd party and probably published titles aswell (nothing in the article excludes these ones).