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Random_Matt said:
Nintendo and MS don't release enough games/new ip's. Not talking about handhelds.

But Sony does!? :D

Nintendo is having biggest support of all 3 for their consoles, and thats not something strange because they have biggest number of 1st party and 2nd party teams.



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Random_Matt said:
Nintendo and MS don't release enough games/new ip's. Not talking about handhelds.

Splatoon, ARMS, 1-2-Switch, SnipperClips, Wonderful 101, Pushmo? Then including 3DS also brings in Ever Oasis, Tomodachi Life/Miitopia and Codename S.T.E.A.M. and that only spans a few years.

And don't even get me started on the games front.



Random_Matt said:
Nintendo and MS don't release enough games/new ip's. Not talking about handhelds.

By the end of this year Nintendo will have released better games on the Switch than Sony on the PS4 in a period of 5 years. 



"The strong do what they can and the weak suffer what they must" - Thoukydides

Nautilus said:
DélioPT said:

Most of what you just said has got nothing with what i have said or questioned.

"Your whole argument is "Nintendo has nothing on 2018 because they are not willing to show many games for it".
 That is not my argument, nor have i suggested it.
What i questioned was their ability to correct a past mistake: not enough 1st party support (that excludes concerns over 2nd party SW). And if they corrected this mistake and have a ton of games coming, why hold back at the single biggest event in gaming year?

"To suggest that just because they prefer to announce things that are soon to be released, instead of pulling an Square Enix"
I never said anything of the sort or implied that i would be ok with it - which i'm not, btw.
What i have been saying is that i wished for - or saw as the best decision - was to divide focus between 2017 and 2018 games for the video presentation.

The strategy of revealing games began before the Switch and the reason was not because, suddenly, Nintendo decided to change their ways. It used that PR spin to cover up their lack of games (you can't announce for the future what you lack or do not have).
That's why E32016 was all about Zelda.
Do you really believe that if E3 2016 had been a second E3 2014, for example, they would have done what they did last year? I don't believe that for a second.

"2018 may not be as impressive as 2017 in terms of first party"
Your view is even worse than mine, then.
I expect nothing less than upping their release schedule (decreasing 3DS SW and no Wii U games for 2/3 years) for next year in a significat manner... i just fear that might not be the case.

How did I not answer your questions?Actually, what I mean is, how you can read through it, and ask me the same things again?For your first bolded part, yeah thats what you are arguing.You said past comments that, if Nintendo is not showing many 2018 titles here, is because they dont have titles currently in development for it.Read this word:many.Thats what I wrote, and what you sugested.And as I said, its ridiculous.Read my examples on my previous comments to know why.

For the second bolded part, yes thats what you are suggesting.You want Nintendo to come out and say:"Hey look at this title!Oh, but in only comes late next year.Oh, not to mention that, since we dont have a fixed release date, it can be delayed!"And you are too attached to the old ways.Do I love to see new exciting releases?Sure!But you need to think in the company view:Is it more effective to announce everything 1 year before and nothing in betwenn, or do the 1-2 punch that was the Switch reveal?(October teaser, January full reveal, March release).The numbers and success shows thats the case.Nintendo is simply following a success strategy.So yeah, I believe they will hold things off to announce at a later date that they think is a better one.I mean, there will be reveals for 2018, but not as many as you want or think there should.

For your third part, why you keep taking things out of contexts?First of all, I said may.Im not convinced or sure it will be worse.And assuming it is, 2017 is fucking great already and jam packed with stuff.We are going to get what, at the very least 6 AAA first party, releases, at least 2 second party games(and Im not counting the Mario vs Rabbid game), and whatever else they might announce at E3?No one does that.Not even Sony and MS combined.And things just dosent work like "they are working on one system now, its going to be double of what they do before!".3DS games were easier to make, and game development is sporadic.While a game like Splatoon 2 takes 2 years to make, there is a Zelda game that takes 5 years.First party game releases for Switch will be higher than Wii U or 3DS, but its not something proportional.

I think you are either too naive about the industry in itself, or you jump the gun to conclusions and dont try to see the whole picture.Nintendo is doing nothing wrong here.Unless they have a crappy E3 of course.But from the data we have now, the conclusion we can reach is the opossite of that.

You could translate what i said as they are not showing enough 2018 MAYBE because they don't have enough to show and keep the rest to reveal later.
I never took that as a fact.
And given their recent history of failed promises i think i'm at least entitled to question their ability to correct that mistake.
Also, their current success changes nothing - at least, so far.

I'm jumping the gun?
You automatically assumed that i asked for late 2018 titles; You also assumed that they can only reveal late 2018 titles.
Hey look at this title!Oh, but in only comes late next year.Oh, not to mention that, since we dont have a fixed release date, it can be delayed!"
You go for the worst scenario and i'm the one jumping the gun?
They can reveal more of what's coming 1st half.

You think it's the best strategy, I don't.
Nor have i seen proof that it's the strategy they would follow even if they had a ton of games coming.

I don't understand how someone like you who absolutely believes that 2018 is garanteed even poses that question.
I ask that question because i haven't seen it's garanteed, hence my comment.
I don't believe not showing any 2018 game (and i also mean footage), releasing 5 1st party games in a 10 month period - again, so far - makes 2017 awesome.
Have they had success? Of course they had. Have they corrected ALL past mistakes? That remains to be seen.

"Nintendo is doing nothing wrong here."
Unless you know for a fact what Nintendo has planned for 2018, it's a leap of faith.

If you really want to convince me that my fear is unreasonable show me what Nintendo has done, said or revealed that makes me wrong.
Because all i see is a lack of information on what's coming and a lack of will to focus on it (aswell).



Miyamotoo said:
DélioPT said:

 

Actualy 7 in-house games for 1st 9 months for now, we can easily have some other announcement at E3 for 2017. And that is definitely full support, and if you actually look how strong are those games, it's actually great support. Like I wrote, 1st 9 months of Switch are stronger in terms of in-house games than any previous Nintendo console, just Zelda BotW blows away complete full 1st year Wii U's lineup.  How much PS4 or XB1 had support from in-house games in its 1st 9 monts!? Definitely less in any case than Switch. Nintendo don't have anything more to prove, like I wrote they just need to keep momentum with more games and marketing.

1st I didnt said that 2018. will be stronger than 2018. (its hard to top Zelda BotW, MK8D, Splatoon 2 and Mario Odyssey, I think you dont realize how much strong is 2017. for Switch if we talk about in-house games), but it can be expected that 2018. will also be very strong (Pokemon, Animal Crossing, Retros game, Next Levels Game, posible new Meotrid, new Pikmin, some other Wii U ports...). Second, they will definitely show some of 2018. games. Again, focus is one thing, and its very obvius why 2017. games will be in focus (they will be relased in near future, they will have tons of infos, gameplays, all day play through TreeHouse, on stage Demo for visitors, tournaments..), but that doesnt mean we will not see 2018. games, that just means they will not have tons of infos, gameplays, all day play through TreeHouse, on stage Demo for visitors, tournaments.. Again, look how they managed last ND where they also had "focus".

And if they can get away with not revealing a 2018 game in January, the same can't or shouldn't happen at E3!? What are you talking about!? Why would they need to get away!? Because they didn't show 2018. games in January 2017. event!? Sorry, but that's clear nonsense. 

Of Course that one biggest flaws of Wii U was lack of games, and its very obvious that Switch doesn't have that problem, you have one stronger 1st party game on around every 1.5 month on Switch and some 3rd parties or Indies between, while on Wii U in 1st year you had months without any release. Second biggest problem for Wii U was lack of bigg system seller games in 1st year, Switch will have them 4 in 1st 9 months on market. What make confidence is that they started very strong with support with Switch and they will continue with that, especially if we know few other fact like that Switch will soon be only Nintendo platform they will support (actually unified platform,where you will not have divided support on handheld and home console platform), or that most of Nintendo teams are scheduled to release their new games in 2017. or 2018.

You acting like Switch does not exist, like you don't see Nintendo Switch support, like you don't see everything Nintendo are doing around Switch and how they managing Switch,like you don't see popularity and breaking record sales, and basically you just saying "look at Wii U", while its very obvious that Switch is totally different in any case than Wii U, especially in terms of 1st party support and games, sales and popularity of Switch proves that. Wii U days are long time over, and people are were aware of that, thats very obvious for everyone expect for you, you just need to open your eyes.

You are reading into my words more that i have expressed.

They dropped Wii U support around 2015, 3DS support not long after that (as pointed out by another user).
They reveal Switch showing off only 5 original in-house games and no, i repeat, no 2018 title.

How can't i question their ability to correct this specific past failure?
I'm not talking about the rest they corrected or the quality of games (you are right in what you said when comparing both line-ups).
When i don't see clear signs of that mistake being corrected i January, i'm a little skeptical. I thought "too soon? E3 will be the place". But what i get is that their focus for the Spotlight is still 2017 when didn't have to. They could have very well not said that - and let us thinking - or even said "focus on games coming 2017 and 2018".
The focus on 2017 games didn't need to be ALSO on the video, but for some reason it is.

Of course i believe they will show 2018 games, but i think that, at this point, this shouldn't be the case (it really didn't need to be) - where they even in the video focus on 2017 games.

And when i look at what they are not showing and not really willing to show/focus, i question them.
Is that so wrong?

"Wii U days are long time over, and people are were aware of that"
Ok. Show me the games they have announced and actually shown that are coming 2018. Show me some quote where they said that they will use E3 or any other show/presentation to "prove" that they are doing things differently.
Just don't show me PR speech saying that they will fully support Switch. Give me something concrete.



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DélioPT said:
Miyamotoo said:

You are reading into my words more that i have expressed.

They dropped Wii U support around 2015, 3DS support not long after that (as pointed out by another user).
They reveal Switch showing off only 5 original in-house games and no, i repeat, no 2018 title.

How can't i question their ability to correct this specific past failure?
I'm not talking about the rest they corrected or the quality of games (you are right in what you said when comparing both line-ups).
When i don't see clear signs of that mistake being corrected i January, i'm a little skeptical. I thought "too soon? E3 will be the place". But what i get is that their focus for the Spotlight is still 2017 when didn't have to. They could have very well not said that - and let us thinking - or even said "focus on games coming 2017 and 2018".
The focus on 2017 games didn't need to be ALSO on the video, but for some reason it is.

Of course i believe they will show 2018 games, but i think that, at this point, this shouldn't be the case (it really didn't need to be) - where they even in the video focus on 2017 games.

And when i look at what they are not showing and not really willing to show/focus, i question them.
Is that so wrong?

"Wii U days are long time over, and people are were aware of that"
Ok. Show me the games they have announced and actually shown that are coming 2018. Show me some quote where they said that they will use E3 or any other show/presentation to "prove" that they are doing things differently.
Just don't show me PR speech saying that they will fully support Switch. Give me something concrete.

While Wii U support wasn't the greatest in 2016, Pokken, Star Fox Zero, Paper Mario Colour Splash, Twilight Princess HD, Tokyo Mirage Sessions #FE etc. say that they hardly dropped Wii U support in 2016 especially when one of the most highly rated games Zelda Breath of the Wild was released for the Wii U in 2017, so saying that is clearly false. Same with the 3DS, 2016 was one of the best years for 3DS software, better than 2015, and while support is declining it's far from ended.

Second Botw, Splatoon 2, ARMS, Xenoblade Chronicles 2 and Mario Odyssey with more to be announced are more in house development games you'll see from any company within a year so I don't know what you're getting at with'only'. They fully revealed the Switch at the start of 2017 in the presentation in the year it was being released of course they weren't going to showing many games coming in 2018, 19 or 20. The entire point and focus was on the Switch's launch year.

The "Wii U days are long time over, and people are were aware of that" point is truth, because they haven't been announcingand showing  titles 3 years off, because with the Wii U they didn't have enough titles releasing in the comming months or the current year to talk about and that was one of the many problems with the Wii U. Leaving people waiting and waiting for something off in the distance rather than focused on what's just around the corner and coming soon this year.



Random_Matt said:
Nintendo and MS don't release enough games/new ip's. Not talking about handhelds.

Lol 



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Green098 said:
DélioPT said:

 

While Wii U support wasn't the greatest in 2016, Pokken, Star Fox Zero, Paper Mario Colour Splash, Twilight Princess HD, Tokyo Mirage Sessions #FE etc. say that they hardly dropped Wii U support in 2016 especially when one of the most highly rated games Zelda Breath of the Wild was released for the Wii U in 2017, so saying that is clearly false. Same with the 3DS, 2016 was one of the best years for 3DS software, better than 2015, and while support is declining it's far from ended.

Second Botw, Splatoon 2, ARMS, Xenoblade Chronicles 2 and Mario Odyssey with more to be announced are more in house development games you'll see from any company within a year so I don't know what you're getting at with'only'. They fully revealed the Switch at the start of 2017 in the presentation in the year it was being released of course they weren't going to showing many games coming in 2018, 19 or 20. The entire point and focus was on the Switch's launch year.

The "Wii U days are long time over, and people are were aware of that" point is truth, because they haven't been announcingand showing  titles 3 years off, because with the Wii U they didn't have enough titles releasing in the comming months or the current year to talk about and that was one of the many problems with the Wii U. Leaving people waiting and waiting for something off in the distance rather than focused on what's just around the corner and coming soon this year.

Of those titles, Pokken was developed by Bandai Namco; TP port was developed mostly by Tantalus and Tokyo Mirage Sessions was developed by Atlus.
So, in-house you have Paper Mario and Star Fox Zero (i'm igoring Platinum having their hands on this as i don't really know to what level they helped out).

I didn't try to imply that 3DS SW is dying, but fading.
Also, a user pointed out that most titles we now see is not 1st party.

I don't know what's left to reveal.
Rumours point at a collaboration with Ubisoft and Pokemon Stars (Pokemon company is not a 1st party if i'm not mistaken).
They can't reveal a single 2018 game but can have Suda on stage talking about a game that's coming who-knows-when?

I'm not asking them to reveal titles that far-off. I'm asking to show that 2018 is going to be better - which it should. And they haven't even shown interest or intent in doing so.

I don't agree with the idea that you and other users are trying to pass that either Nintendo reveals just stuff for this year or they only reveal things that are coming way, way down the line.
There's a middleground to that approach and that is exactly what would expect them to do.



DélioPT said:

Who cares if it is 3rd party studios? Nintendo is still behind these collaborations, investing in those games. 



 

 

We reap what we sow

What makes me pretty confident in this E3 is how they're not including 3DS in the presentation like I originally expected them to (especially after 2DSXL announcement). That can only mean they must have plenty of Switch content, enough to fill what is normally filled by two separate systems. Also, I doubt something as major as a new Pokemon announcement would be done through the Treehouse, so that provides further confidence that this year's Pokemon game will be on Switch.