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To be frank, you probably won't see an impeachment charge for a while (if ever). Impeachment isn't easily achieved and usually requires bipartisan support. Dems would have to win lots of support in 2018 to even perhaps jumpstart serious action and inquiry. (And given the 2018 Senate map - I'd say their chances are slim to regain the majority there. Perhaps they can take back the house though.)



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Dark_Lord_2008 said:
Trump's fans/lackeys will continue to follow him no matter what he says or does as President or found in his shady past dealings.
Trump's critics/haters will continue to attack Trump and try to bring him down.
Neutral fence sitters will just happily sit back and eat popcorn as the Trump drama unfolds.

Killer Koolaide always tastes better when you have a gun to put upside your target's head.

 

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2017/mar/04/jeff-sessions-legal-past-democrats-trump-administration



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SuaveSocialist said:

For three hundred (and counting!) separate acts of corruption within his regime.
https://corrupt.af  Click link, scroll down, click any given article for full details.
Among them, you find there are lots of reasons to remove Beloved Leader from office...not that the West Korean government has the integrity to do so.

Headlines: "Trump, with financial intersts in Manila Property, invites murderous Duterte to white house."

"Kushner failed to disclose involvement in real estate finance startup, loans from banks."

"State department promotes Ivanka Trump's book"

"Epa dismisses members of scientific Review board, Trump muls appointing industry interests"

Those are some of the random headlines they list as impeachment crimes.  Seems to me like they're just throwing the kitchen sink in there for good measure.  Haha, sorry but a lot of those articles are smoke without fire.  But you know what, there are like 300 articles, so I can't be sure.  Do a brother a favor and get the most damming articles for me, please?  And btw, a lot of those could be said of the last president.

Very true.

Anthony Weiner sexted a 16 year old girl for months and he's still in the clear. That's the standard we're dealing with here, not the frivilous crap that could be said about any president. 



Won't happen as long as republicans control both the house and senate. These are politicians, they won't remove themselves from power. So the earliest it might happen is after the midterms elections in 2018, and that is only assuming the democrats take back both houses. In all likelihood, we are stuck with trump for 4 years... sigh...😒



Probably never,

First, the Democrats don't have power anywhere. I'm not talking about the House or Senate but also in State level government as well. The last part isn't specifically relevant beyond the fact it shows the Dems are in hot water. If the recent special elections are anything to go by, they can get the seats they need to actually win an election. Its even worse when you consider more senate seats are coming up in states Trump won vs states Hillary won.

I'm sure the anti-Trump liberals think "Yeah, we're a resistance. We're going to win big in 2018," but people aren't happy with the Left. You have Antifa which makes the Democrats look like Fascist. You have the Russia conspericay which makes the party look dumber the longer we go without any actually evidence (hint, you should drop it). You don't have any leadership with in the party? And what is the party platform? "We Hate Trump?" I'm sorry, you need something better than that.

The Democrats are in hot water when you consider that A)They are self-gerrymandering and B) they are scaring away the white working class. Democrats are moving more and more towards the cities. If you look at election maps, you'll see most counties were red. The only reason you even have Hillary with more popular votes is you have Democrats clustering in a few countries. Florida is a good example. The only blue counties were Hillsborough (Tampa), Orange (Orlando) and Miami-Dade (Miami, duh). The rest of the state was red. This hurts in most elections as the US is a representative Democracy. You give up the House and if a Blue state has one major city, you will only get one senate seat. And if you can't win the house or senate, you can't win the presidency. At the same time, Democrats are pushing away moderates. Democrats are anti-white in most of their policies and they say it all the time, but most of the US population is white. Ann Coulter made the point quite well: if Romney has won 71 percent of the Hispanic vote, he would have lost. If he won 4 percent more of the white vote, he would have won. Republicans only need to drive up the white votes and to Democrats who don't look at demographics, this seems like a winning strategy. Liberalism is killing the party (not that I mind since it means my side wins).

Now, this is just the start. You have to have something actually on him, and I mean something concrete. Not this flaky Russia garbage. If you try to impeach on nothing, you, at best, just ruin the party and at worst start a civil war. Just expect it will never happen.



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VideoGameAccountant said:
I'm sure the anti-Trump liberals think "Yeah, we're a resistance. We're going to win big in 2018," but people aren't happy with the Left. You have Antifa which makes the Democrats look like Fascist. You have the Russia conspericay which makes the party look dumber the longer we go without any actually evidence (hint, you should drop it). You don't have any leadership with in the party? And what is the party platform? "We Hate Trump?" I'm sorry, you need something better than that.

The Democrats are in hot water when you consider that A)They are self-gerrymandering and B) they are scaring away the white working class. Democrats are moving more and more towards the cities. If you look at election maps, you'll see most counties were red. The only reason you even have Hillary with more popular votes is you have Democrats clustering in a few countries. Florida is a good example. The only blue counties were Hillsborough (Tampa), Orange (Orlando) and Miami-Dade (Miami, duh). The rest of the state was red. This hurts in most elections as the US is a representative Democracy. You give up the House and if a Blue state has one major city, you will only get one senate seat. And if you can't win the house or senate, you can't win the presidency. At the same time, Democrats are pushing away moderates. Democrats are anti-white in most of their policies and they say it all the time, but most of the US population is white. Ann Coulter made the point quite well: if Romney has won 71 percent of the Hispanic vote, he would have lost. If he won 4 percent more of the white vote, he would have won. Republicans only need to drive up the white votes and to Democrats who don't look at demographics, this seems like a winning strategy. Liberalism is killing the party (not that I mind since it means my side wins).

Some things you say quite well and other things you completely ignore, twist, and exaggerate about to appease your own pesonal partisanship.

Dems do have a self gerrymandering problem and even more importantly a political gerrymandering problem with respect to the house. Which only leads to increased levels of polarization. Instead of throwing around insults, you could also do research.  They do have a party platform besides "Trump is bad". Just because you lack the motivation to look it up doesn't mean it doesn't exist. You also quickly have their voting record at your hands if you really wished to know where each individual in congress stands. You can even compare their votes to what trump supports to find out which members have become the most partisan. (Links below)

I'd also like to point out your arguments over Dems looking facist because of a small number of individuals is no better then dems claiming Trump and those he appoint are facists. Your argument that Dems look stupid over Russia is no better or worse then dems saying conservatives look "dumber the longer they follow Trump". These types of arguments mean nothing unless it appeals to one's own personal partisanship and ideology.

Now let's move on to your argument over their policies being "anti-white". Which is too much of a generalization. A quick look at the 2016 vote breakdown shows trump recieving almost an identical percentage of the white vote as romney did in 2012. While they have lost support with the "white working class" (the blue collar coal worker/construction worker) they have made quick gains from white college grads helping to offset said lost. This suggests the "white working class" views said policies as anti-them, this doesn't suggest the policies are anti-white.

As for left leaning politics pushing away moderates that also seems to be quite a quick generalizaton given your avg. dem running for the president/house/senate still leans authoritarian right on a political compass.  This also doesn't even include how fast the conservative members in congress polarized under the Obama Administration (which still didn't scare away "moderates" either). Perhaps this is because the percentage of moderates is still in declined and they are dealing with two continuously polarizing opposites.  

Sources: 

Dem platform - https://www.democrats.org/party-platform

How representatives have voted compared to what Trump supports - https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/congress-trump-score/

The 2016 vote broken down - http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2016/11/09/behind-trumps-victory-divisions-by-race-gender-education/

Dems running for congress lean alt right - https://www.politicalcompass.org/usstates?

How fast the right in congress polarized after Obama was elected w/ graphs - http://www.voteview.com/political_polarization_2014.htm

Moderates continue to disappear - http://www.gallup.com/poll/201152/conservative-liberal-gap-continues-narrow-tuesday.aspx



March 2018, Kratos is coming for him.



LeeH said:
VideoGameAccountant said:
I'm sure the anti-Trump liberals think "Yeah, we're a resistance. We're going to win big in 2018," but people aren't happy with the Left. You have Antifa which makes the Democrats look like Fascist. You have the Russia conspericay which makes the party look dumber the longer we go without any actually evidence (hint, you should drop it). You don't have any leadership with in the party? And what is the party platform? "We Hate Trump?" I'm sorry, you need something better than that.

The Democrats are in hot water when you consider that A)They are self-gerrymandering and B) they are scaring away the white working class. Democrats are moving more and more towards the cities. If you look at election maps, you'll see most counties were red. The only reason you even have Hillary with more popular votes is you have Democrats clustering in a few countries. Florida is a good example. The only blue counties were Hillsborough (Tampa), Orange (Orlando) and Miami-Dade (Miami, duh). The rest of the state was red. This hurts in most elections as the US is a representative Democracy. You give up the House and if a Blue state has one major city, you will only get one senate seat. And if you can't win the house or senate, you can't win the presidency. At the same time, Democrats are pushing away moderates. Democrats are anti-white in most of their policies and they say it all the time, but most of the US population is white. Ann Coulter made the point quite well: if Romney has won 71 percent of the Hispanic vote, he would have lost. If he won 4 percent more of the white vote, he would have won. Republicans only need to drive up the white votes and to Democrats who don't look at demographics, this seems like a winning strategy. Liberalism is killing the party (not that I mind since it means my side wins).

Some things you say quite well and other things you completely ignore, twist, and exaggerate about to appease your own pesonal partisanship.

Dems do have a self gerrymandering problem and even more importantly a political gerrymandering problem with respect to the house. Which only leads to increased levels of polarization. Instead of throwing around insults, you could also do research.  They do have a party platform besides "Trump is bad". Just because you lack the motivation to look it up doesn't mean it doesn't exist. You also quickly have their voting record at your hands if you really wished to know where each individual in congress stands. You can even compare their votes to what trump supports to find out which members have become the most partisan. (Links below)

I'd also like to point out your arguments over Dems looking facist because of a small number of individuals is no better then dems claiming Trump and those he appoint are facists. Your argument that Dems look stupid over Russia is no better or worse then dems saying conservatives look "dumber the longer they follow Trump". These types of arguments mean nothing unless it appeals to one's own personal partisanship and ideology.

Now let's move on to your argument over their policies being "anti-white". Which is too much of a generalization. A quick look at the 2016 vote breakdown shows trump recieving almost an identical percentage of the white vote as romney did in 2012. While they have lost support with the "white working class" (the blue collar coal worker/construction worker) they have made quick gains from white college grads helping to offset said lost. This suggests the "white working class" views said policies as anti-them, this doesn't suggest the policies are anti-white.

As for left leaning politics pushing away moderates that also seems to be quite a quick generalizaton given your avg. dem running for the president/house/senate still leans authoritarian right on a political compass.  This also doesn't even include how fast the conservative members in congress polarized under the Obama Administration (which still didn't scare away "moderates" either). Perhaps this is because the percentage of moderates is still in declined and they are dealing with two continuously polarizing opposites.  

Party platform - So what is their platform. Global change is bad. Woman rights. Transgender bathrooms. Here's the thing, none of these platforms are what voters cared about. Trump has two major positions: jobs and immigrations. Everything else was the normal Republican platform and he really didn't care (ie his response on Gay Marriage is the courts decided so I'm going to stay out of it). Objectively, the Democrats platforms aren't working. If anything, it lost them PA, MI and WI and almost lost VA. The rust belt is a democrat stronghold and they are losing it. Even if NV and CO become reliably blue, it wont be about to make up the difference (besides MI, all the states I listed have a higher EC score than CO and NV do combine). Yes, I am exaggerating a bit with Dem positions, but they haven't changed a thing after this massive loss. I doubt people are going to wake up in 2018 or 2020 and say "You know, I really care about climate change now." They don't have winning positions.

Dems look bad - Your argument seems to be coming from inside a bubble. "How do we look bad to people." Antifa is a Democrat thing as only people on the left talk about punching Fascist. Fascism is so broadly defined its become meaningless. And the Democrates haven't disavowed it (if you had right wing gangs shutting down free speech, you'd hear about it nonstop on CNN). You also have Dem politicians families in Antifa. Tim Kain's son is a member and Dem Mayors have shown support for it. This look bad for them.

The Russia thing just makes Dems look like tin foil hat wearers. If you haven't found anything at this point, you aren't going to find it. You can't go into the 2018 midterms and say "WE HAVE TO WIN TO STOP RUSSIA." It makes the party look hysterical. Im sorry, everyone you don't like is not Russia and they aren't Hitler. This drives more people from the party. It's already happening.

Demographics - You are right that whites, as a percent, voted less for Trump than Romney. But you also forget that this election had a third party candidate that got about 3 percent of the total vote. According to exit polls, 6 percent of white voters voted for "other" which was mostly Gary Johnson (as an aside, the Libratraians are right leaning). Hillary Clinton lost 2 percent of the white vote.  Keep in mind whites in both elections made up over 70 percent of the vote. Getting a few more votes from whites would have a major different on election results. You will probalby see a far higher percent white vote for Trump in 2020 as you wont have a third party pressence like you did this time and Trump would be an incumbent. Also, keep in mind where Hillary lost. It was the rust belt. In order for Trump to win, he would have to convince white working class Dems to vote for him when they voted Obama in 2008 and 2012. The electoral map doesn't look good for the Dems, and the anti-white message isn't winning. Also, minority votes were higher for Trump, so their "inclusive" platform isn;t working. 

2016 -http://www.cnn.com/election/results/exit-polls

2012 - http://www.cnn.com/election/2012/results/race/president/

Moderates - I'm looking at this article. There may be a better one out there

http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2017/01/03/moderates-lose-share-democratic-party/

All this said, I thought your comment was well thought out. Much better than I expected from this thread.



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My best two guesses: When pigs fly and when hell freezes over. Just the way Trump is driving our corrupt media crazy makes him the best Prez ever. Same with the old Lib/Dem DC gang. Pelosi's head might just pop off one of these days. I hope it is televised...



Machiavellian said:
Sticky said:

For commiting what crime exactly?

 

Lets not forget when Comey reopened the investigation on Clinton every Democrat was begging for his replacement (as well as CNN). 

 

Difference is that when that same person is investigating the president, and the president has the power to not only fire the guy but also appoint his replacement.  Why people ignore context here is really funny.

What is really funny are the people who think the Director of anything is actually doing the 'grunt work' of that operation. Applies to restaurants, lawyer offices, hair salon owners AND Gov agencies.