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Wyrdness said:
I can't believe all of this chaos in US politics is all in 3 months seriously you guys make current British politics look sane and we're run by a circus right now. Was Trump tasked by the Democrats to infiltrate and permanently sabotage the Republicans?

It's like we're not even witnessing real life right now but some political parody.

Our political system has been a circus for awhile.  I almost miss the Tea Party days...  Gotta love "grass movements" funded by the Koch brothers.



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Wyrdness said:
I can't believe all of this chaos in US politics is all in 3 months seriously you guys make current British politics look sane and we're run by a circus right now. Was Trump tasked by the Democrats to infiltrate and permanently sabotage the Republicans?

It's like we're not even witnessing real life right now but some political parody.

I dunno. Trump is even making fiction look more plausible than what's going on these past few months.



Zanten said:
thismeintiel said:
Lol, and a bunch of people come to prove my point. Poor excuses to why their side isn't as bad, knowing full well that if Hillary won they would fully support her firing him. Even if he was still investigating her emails. Both sides are just freaking pathetic on this.

Er... I wouldn't? =P Even from the perspective of Clinton, one fuck-up by Comey, imo, shouldn't be enough to get the guy fired, unless there's a pattern of shitty behavior leading up to it. The only other FBI Director who's ever been fired, by Bill Clinton, was such a mess that both Clinton's administration, and the Republican administration preceding him, wanted him gone. 

That being said, come on... you seriously don't look at the events that transpired in the months between the actual incident that Trump's administration cited as being the 'reason,' and the day he finally pulls the trigger? All the statements made by Trump, Sessions and co. praising Comey for the very thing they're now insisting was the reason behind his firing, that isn't jingling any bullshit detectors at all?

This isn't simply a matter of hypocrisy; we know that Trump is hypocritical anyway, whether it's his travel habits, his work ethic, etc, him being hypocritical isn't new. It is that he has fired a man who was in charge of an department looking into the circumstances of his election win- the behavior of his campaign- and then tries hauling out a stale, outdated reason that he has never shown any signs of ascribing to until now, in fact stuck to the polar opposite position, to justify it. The reason they're using this unfounded, astounding 180 degree shift is because the only other alternative on deck is that he is trying to protect himself from people digging too deeply in inconvenient places. He even uses the letter he sent firing Comey to try and protect himself. He now, most recently, is insisting that firing Comey was in fact his idea, and he was going to do it regardless of what the Attorney General or Deputy recommended. Certainly, it could just be because Trump is egotistical and wants to take credit for everything... or he actually did want to fire Comey for reasons that had nothing to do with Clinton, and the Justice Department tried to give him a 'cover' to get away with it.

The dumb part is that if he just stuck to the story this probably would just blow over but instead because he want to show he was the one that pulled the trigger, he adds more fuel for obstruction of Justice.  This is why at every turn Trump shows just how stupid he is.  Really, by admitting he was going to fire Comey and admitting he asked him to divulge information about the investigation against him shows probably cause for Obstruction.  You would think by now Trump people would have someone in a room with him during all interviews to shut him up as he rolls into one blunder after another.



Machiavellian said:

The dumb part is that if he just stuck to the story this probably would just blow over but instead because he want to show he was the one that pulled the trigger, he adds more fuel for obstruction of Justice.  This is why at every turn Trump shows just how stupid he is.  Really, by admitting he was going to fire Comey and admitting he asked him to divulge information about the investigation against him shows probably cause for Obstruction.  You would think by now Trump people would have someone in a room with him during all interviews to shut him up as he rolls into one blunder after another.

It is pretty astounding, really. He kicks a big hornet's nest, raises concerns and fears that he's using his authority to stamp out the campaign investigation, kicks up a big cloud of questions and then, just when surrounding pressure seems to have reached its peak and the White House is in full damage control mode, Trump digs down, finds his inner resolve, and somehow makes things even worse for himself and his people. White House explanations? Torpedoed! Trump's own personal finger in the pie? Confirmed by Trump himself! I can just imagine his spokespeople finally getting back to their offices after a harrowing day of fending off reporters and trying to make this move sound feasible, only to check the news and blurt out 'Oh Goddamnit, The Boss Said What?!?!'



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Goatseye said:
thismeintiel said:
Lol, and a bunch of people come to prove my point. Poor excuses to why their side isn't as bad, knowing full well that if Hillary won they would fully support her firing him. Even if he was still investigating her emails. Both sides are just freaking pathetic on this.

Why wasn't he fired under Obama?

Why would Obama take that kind of hit to his credibility for a woman who he isn't exactly in love with or exceptionally friendly with. Especially during an election. And especially since Comey was HIS appointment.

Machiavellian said:
thismeintiel said:
Lol, and a bunch of people come to prove my point. Poor excuses to why their side isn't as bad, knowing full well that if Hillary won they would fully support her firing him. Even if he was still investigating her emails. Both sides are just freaking pathetic on this.

What is your point because it appear to be based on an opinion that is not taking in all the facts.  This has nothing to do with Hillary and everything to do with timing.  Nobody cares about Hillary anymore, what we do care about is that when the heat on an investigation start to go up, the person providing the heat is fired in the middle of it.  What you are saying is the excuse and looking for blame.  What everyone else want to know is why now and they do not want the very weak excuse concerning Hillary emails when the same administration praised Comey on the situation.  As many has said it looks like obstruction of justice and a cover up and thats the real issue.

It is not an opinion.  It is fact that Hillary would have fired Comey.  People in her party were hinting at it. They wanted it. They ran a freaking #firecomey campaign.  And you can bet your ass that there would be no outcry from the media or Dems if she did. They only changed their mind now because it is a Rep in office and they can rile up their base and score political points.  The fact is the President can fire the FBI director whenever he so chooses.  And no screaming and kicking from the left can change that.  And the same goes for the opposite if Hillary did it, with the right saying it was only for revenge and politics.  

And don't confuse this as a defense of Trump, cause I don't care if he were impeached.  What I'm pointing out is the BS on both sides, including voters making poor excuses as to why their side isn't so bad, excusing corruption and hypocrisy.  Something that is blatantly obvious in the Stephen Colbert clip.



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thismeintiel said:

It is not an opinion.  It is fact that Hillary would have fired Comey.  People in her party were hinting at it. They wanted it. They ran a freaking #firecomey campaign.  And you can bet your ass that there would be no outcry from the media or Dems if she did. They only changed their mind now because it is a Rep in office and they can rile up their base and score political points.  The fact is the President can fire the FBI director whenever he so chooses.  And no screaming and kicking from the left can change that.  And the same goes for the opposite if Hillary did it, with the right saying it was only for revenge and politics.  

And don't confuse this as a defense of Trump, cause I don't care if he were impeached.  What I'm pointing out is the BS on both sides, including voters making poor excuses as to why their side isn't so bad, excusing corruption and hypocrisy.  Something that is blatantly obvious in the Stephen Colbert clip.

How can something be a fact when said person never became president.  Even so, it seems you are totally ignoring the optics of the situation.  As many have said, Trump firing Comey when he became president is one thing, firing now after asking him if he is investigating him, firing him after he ask Comey for his testimony before the judicial hearing and Comey not giving it.  Firing him after his testimony where he states he is investigation Trump.  Firing him after he ask for more money to dig deeper into the investigation, firing him after a grand jury subpeonas Flynn associates showing that the investigation is serious.

Just because the president can do something does not mean it doesn't have concenquences.  Nixion could and did try to fire the special precutor when he was under investigation and you see how that turned out for him.  Firing the person who is investigating you even if you have the power does not mean you cannot be charged for obstruction of justice and this goes for the president.  This is the part where you lack understanding.  The president just did an interview where he totally threw out the reason given by his surrogates for the firing and said he was going to do it anyway.  During the same interview he talks about having conversations asking Comey about being investigated.  You have no clue how damming that is and that by firing Comey at this time with the things that came out of his mouth a serious case could be made for obstruction of justice.  This is the same thing pretty much that got Nixon to resign, not the evidence but the coverup. 

You are not pointing out anything because it lacks context.  The question is not whether Comey would have been fired, the question is why 45 fired him now.  The question, is there a case for obstruction of Justice.  This will be something that Trump and company will have to tread very carefully or even this Republican led congress might need to move against him.  Dumb interviews like he just did does not help his cause.



Let's see.
Where do things say.

Trump said the FBI disliked Comey - new Director disagrees.
Trump was going to FBI HQ - isn't going anymore
Trump said the "the recommendation of the Deputy Attorney General and the Attorney General" was to fire comey.
- Then trump says "I was going to do it anyways".

One of their white house speakers is hiding in a bush demanding darkness, and another is admitting that by firing Comey they were hoping the Russian probe would end.

And while all this was taking place? Trump was meeting with Russians. Preventing the US press from showing up. Then getting tricked by Russia as they release photos.



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barneystinson69 said:
Zkuq said:

There's no proof because he just fired the guy leading the investigation in whether he collaborated with the Russians. How can it be that hard to see? Now I'm not saying there could have been, or will be, any proof, or that he did collaborate with Russia, but if he did, this sure is a good move to hide it. He's brought this on himself, collaboration with Russia or not.

His days were numbered either way, especially with how he handled the email thing. And investigations have already been put into Russian collaboration since the election - nothing has shown a direct connection with Trump so far. Its been 7 months, yet nothing has come up. Its a story that the leftist media has been dragging on because they want to find something to destroy his presidency, but the simple fact is that the Russian's did not "rig" the election...

7 months is not a long time for this type of investigation.  They would not acknowledge that the sitting president is under investigation for collaborating with Russia until they had dotted every "i" and crossed every "t".  Basically, we won't hear anything until the investigation is over.  Which is why this is such a big deal if Trump is able to appoint someone that will then be able to control the investigation.



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http://time.com/4775040/donald-trump-time-interview-being-president/

Looks like Trump is going to be the new character in Code Name S.T.E.A.M. 2.



Trump is making up lies and smearing Comey's character. Trump's reasons for sacking Comey keep changing by the hour. Trump has described Comey as a liar, a traitor, a coward, a bare faced liar, etc. Sacking Comey was a clear cover up to take the heat off Trump.