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Hiku said:

Yeah I saw just now, but he may take this back tomorrow when his advisors inform him that he shouldn't have admitted to that.
Like he did after he admitted that he didn't read the executive orders he signed, but then took it back the next day.

Yeah, I wouldn't exactly be shocked, though my money would be that Trump himself doesn't take it back; instead, the White House will fall all over itself to provide a breathless, helpful explanation of what the President 'really meant,' while scolding everyone for taking him at his word. Kinda like how Devin Nunes felt that the media was at fault for taking things he said 'too literally.' As for Trump himself, it wouldn't surprise me if his course change is, more than anything, because Trump doesn't even want the helpful illusion that he wasn't the man who came up with this idea himself, and that he was just following someone else's plan.



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The USA heavily influences other countries elections all the time. And it is absolutely clear that the Clinton hack heavily influenced the outcome of the US election. It is so extremely obvious that it doesn't even need any further investigation.



thismeintiel said:
Lol, and a bunch of people come to prove my point. Poor excuses to why their side isn't as bad, knowing full well that if Hillary won they would fully support her firing him. Even if he was still investigating her emails. Both sides are just freaking pathetic on this.

What is your point because it appear to be based on an opinion that is not taking in all the facts.  This has nothing to do with Hillary and everything to do with timing.  Nobody cares about Hillary anymore, what we do care about is that when the heat on an investigation start to go up, the person providing the heat is fired in the middle of it.  What you are saying is the excuse and looking for blame.  What everyone else want to know is why now and they do not want the very weak excuse concerning Hillary emails when the same administration praised Comey on the situation.  As many has said it looks like obstruction of justice and a cover up and thats the real issue.



thismeintiel said:
Lol, and a bunch of people come to prove my point. Poor excuses to why their side isn't as bad, knowing full well that if Hillary won they would fully support her firing him. Even if he was still investigating her emails. Both sides are just freaking pathetic on this.

Er... I wouldn't? =P Even from the perspective of Clinton, one fuck-up by Comey, imo, shouldn't be enough to get the guy fired, unless there's a pattern of shitty behavior leading up to it. The only other FBI Director who's ever been fired, by Bill Clinton, was such a mess that both Clinton's administration, and the Republican administration preceding him, wanted him gone. 

That being said, come on... you seriously don't look at the events that transpired in the months between the actual incident that Trump's administration cited as being the 'reason,' and the day he finally pulls the trigger? All the statements made by Trump, Sessions and co. praising Comey for the very thing they're now insisting was the reason behind his firing, that isn't jingling any bullshit detectors at all?

This isn't simply a matter of hypocrisy; we know that Trump is hypocritical anyway, whether it's his travel habits, his work ethic, etc, him being hypocritical isn't new. It is that he has fired a man who was in charge of an department looking into the circumstances of his election win- the behavior of his campaign- and then tries hauling out a stale, outdated reason that he has never shown any signs of ascribing to until now, in fact stuck to the polar opposite position, to justify it. The reason they're using this unfounded, astounding 180 degree shift is because the only other alternative on deck is that he is trying to protect himself from people digging too deeply in inconvenient places. He even uses the letter he sent firing Comey to try and protect himself. He now, most recently, is insisting that firing Comey was in fact his idea, and he was going to do it regardless of what the Attorney General or Deputy recommended. Certainly, it could just be because Trump is egotistical and wants to take credit for everything... or he actually did want to fire Comey for reasons that had nothing to do with Clinton, and the Justice Department tried to give him a 'cover' to get away with it.



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18 U.S. Code § 1510 - Obstruction of criminal investigations



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etking said:

The USA heavily influences other countries elections all the time. And it is absolutely clear that the Clinton hack heavily influenced the outcome of the US election. It is so extremely obvious that it doesn't even need any further investigation.

From what I understand, the question here isn't so much did it influence the election, or who was involved. General consensus throughout the intelligence branches appear to be a) Yes, yes it did, and b) Yes, yes it was pretty definitely Russia.

The crux of the investigation now seems to be whether the Trump campaign itself- and this could be either Donald Trump himself, or people running the campaign- were fully aware or even assisting in coordinating these operations with those influencing it. That's where most of the gray remains, as much of what seems to be out there supporting it right now is circumstancial. We know a number of people in Trump's circle inconveniently forgot (oops) to disclose Russian contacts when they were supposed to, (Flynn, Sessions, Kushner, iirc, are at least some). We know that Trump publically made comments endorsing that Clinton's emails should be hacked and leaked, Trump himself has lied about never meeting/speaking to Putin, (either lying during the campaign when he said he never had, or lying in the past when he said they have,) but all that definitely proves is that Trump is a liar and a blowhard. Which is extremely obvious in and of itself. xP 

It isn't, however, a smoking gun. 



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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qFff-A5xEx0

Yeah, the blatant contradiction is mind bogling.
Trump says he would fire Comey regardless of the letter. But his PR people said the exact opposite.

It looks like Trump doesn't even know what his own people said about this, before he started talking to the interviewer.
They're not going to get much sleep tonight.



etking said:

The USA heavily influences other countries elections all the time. And it is absolutely clear that the Clinton hack heavily influenced the outcome of the US election. It is so extremely obvious that it doesn't even need any further investigation.

We love fucking with other countries but apparently we can't take it when done to us.  If the Democrats didn't have so much baggage with Hillary then they would have probably won.  Losing an election to Trump is the ultimate bitch slap.



I can't believe all of this chaos in US politics is all in 3 months seriously you guys make current British politics look sane and we're run by a circus right now. Was Trump tasked by the Democrats to infiltrate and permanently sabotage the Republicans?

It's like we're not even witnessing real life right now but some political parody.