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Forums - Politics Discussion - Is Marie Le Pen more Left-Wing than Macron? (French Presidential Election)

Ruler said:
Flilix said:

This doesn't make any sense. Macron is a centrist, Le Pen is extreme right and Fillion is liberal+right.

My personal results on that site were wrong too.

 

Edit: I didn't see the left/right scale was about economics. Still, it's very weird to see Fillion on the authoritarian side.

Hes centrist by Todays standards, which is very right wing and liberal what we call centrism now

Nonesense, France is more social in reçent years than it's ever been. 

 

http://www.tradingeconomics.com/france/government-spending-to-gdp

 

Particularly, look at the charts at max.



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Le Pen is an extremist, she takes extremist positions that sound good/popular - no matter if thats from the far right or far left on a classical scale

putting an equal amount of extremist positions from both sides into your political basket doesn't make you a centrist



For comparison, Le Pen falls in almost the same place as Hitler according to the website.



So Macron is socially more left leaning and economically more right wing without an authoritarian streak in him? Wish we had someone like that to vote for in the US :(

Ah that's right, we've neatly divided all views between two sides that share zero commonalities, thus ensuring that the maximum number of people will be angry with the maximum number of their fellow citizens at any given time, and nothing will be passed that doesn't piss off about half of the country.

Gotta love this system.



Flilix said:
Ruler said:

Hes centrist by Todays standards, which is very right wing and liberal what we call centrism now

Shouldn't the results of that site match with todays standards?

Yes but it's very outdated and that's why some people swear by it.



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Ruler said:
Flilix said:

Shouldn't the results of that site match with todays standards?

no

There's been no shift in the graph itself, it's just that some people are slightly more extreme in their views. 



Johnw1104 said:

So Macron is socially more left leaning and economically more right wing without an authoritarian streak in him? Wish we had someone like that to vote for in the US :(

There is a lot of reputable Republicans on places such as New England who fit this, it is just that none will ever make it through the national primaries.

Maybe Zuckerberg in 2020...

OT - yeah, economically she is more to the left than Macron, under all the perceived extremism she is a standard French statist through and through.



 

 

 

 

 

The political compass doesn't really work when it comes to immigration.

Complete open borders immigration would count as highly libertarian on the political compass. Yet because it would let in millions of people who are themselves heavily authoritarian (as the majority of world cultures are), it would end in authoritarianism. Just indirectly.

Whereas authoritarianism on immigration can be in the service of preserving freedom. The freedom to draw insulting cartoons of prophets for example, is largely dependent on how much islamic immigration you've had.



palou said:
Ruler said:

Hes centrist by Todays standards, which is very right wing and liberal what we call centrism now

Nonesense, France is more social in reçent years than it's ever been. 

 

http://www.tradingeconomics.com/france/government-spending-to-gdp

 

Particularly, look at the charts at max.

Thats not socialism, America got the biggest debt increase thanks to Bush by the way, a Conservative-Libertarian



RolStoppable said:
Le Pen is comfortably right wing on a social level. A graph based on economics doesn't change that, and it won't make people who identify as left vote for Le Pen.

Tell that to the self identifying lefts who voted for Trump.

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It is normal that the more right you go the more social and populist your policies become. That's why there is barely any difference between the extreme right and extreme left when it comes to social policies minus the immigration part.



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