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Because others pay less.



Its just un restricted greed and pure capitalism, right?



gtaguidelng said:
Because others pay less.

This.

Thanks to decades of propaganda and big company lobbies, people don't get that for a proper health system everyone has to pay for it. But since in the US taxes are the worst thing that could possibly exist and the idiotic decision to leave healthcare up to the states despite it being a nationwide issue nothing will ever work.

I pay 7.5% of my salary for health insurance alone and my employer has to match what I pay. That way everyone including companies pay their fair share. That means in the past year alone I paid several thousands of my hard earned money without even taking advantage of my insurance once. This wouldn't even be possible in the US because for some reason, over there "socialism" is a curse word.

To add to that, greed in the medical industry is rampant because they don't have to take it up with big insurance companies but just deal with the patients directly who have no way of fighting back because their life literally depends on it. It's really disgusting and inhumane.



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JRPGfan said:

Its just un restricted greed and pure capitalism, right?

Looks like I was right, basically what the video is saying.

 

From the youtube video:

"when one manufacturer puts a (pill) price up to a new high level, everyone else just says "oh look, he um got away with it", and lift their prices up to that level too" - Elisabeth Rosenthal  

"prices will rise to whatever level the markets will bare" - Elisabeth Rosenthal

"while not a free market, its market driven enough to push up prices, and thus the prices we all end up paying"

 

numbers:

US spends more than 20% of its GMP on health care (alot of countries with free health care for all its citizens do it for 9-10%), and the US usually has worse results to show for it (than nations that spend those 9-10%).

 

An american sickness, a book that talks about the issues of american health care, and why its so ineffecient compaired to the rest of the world.



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JRPGfan said:
JRPGfan said:

Its just un restricted greed and pure capitalism, right?

Looks like I was right, basically what the video is saying.

 

From the youtube video:

"when one manufacturer puts a (pill) price up to a new high level, everyone else just says "oh look, he um got away with it", and lift their prices up to that level too" - Elisabeth Rosenthal  

"prices will rise to whatever level the markets will bare" - Elisabeth Rosenthal

"while not a free market, its market driven enough to push up prices, and thus the prices we all end up paying"

 

numbers:

US spends more than 20% of its GMP on health care (alot of countries with free health care for all its citizens do it for 9-10%), and usually has worse results to show for it (than nations that spend those 9-10%).

 

An american sickness, a book that talks about the issues of american health care, and why its so ineffecient compaired to the rest of the world.

Good thing that we finally have the Republicans in control. They wanted to lower the taxes for companies for years now to not strangulate their profits. Now that they have finally bigger profits it's time for them to trickle down in form of cheaper medication. Right? Right?



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vivster said:
JRPGfan said:

Good thing that we finally have the Republicans in control. They wanted to lower the taxes for companies for years now to not strangulate their profits. Now that they have finally bigger profits it's time for them to trickle down in form of cheaper medication. Right? Right?

Greed knows no bounds.

Theres no reason why it should cost 2 or 3 times as much in the US, as the rest of the world, and you get a worse service, that takes care of less (%) than other nations.

Its just greed, nothing else.

Lowering taxes for companies great.... but why do you think that ll help lower prices? they ll take the tax breaks, and laugh all the way to the bank, while you still pay the same for it.

 

What you need are major regulations, that limit the market place (so these companies dont keep screwing you over).

 

"...over there "socialism" is a curse word." - vivster

Its ironic, that its obviously a much better system, to anyone that looks at the numbers (healthcare wise).

The american health care system is a mess.



So if your parents on very low money and no insurance with a child of 5 with cancer that needs very expensive treatment what happens? Would that child not get treatment through no fault of its own and simply die?

Even some dictatorships have reasonable free at the point of delivery health care.



JRPGfan said:
vivster said:

Good thing that we finally have the Republicans in control. They wanted to lower the taxes for companies for years now to not strangulate their profits. Now that they have finally bigger profits it's time for them to trickle down in form of cheaper medication. Right? Right?

Greed knows no bounds.

Theres no reason why it should cost 2 or 3 times as much in the US, as the rest of the world, and you get a worse service, that takes care of less (%) than other nations.

Its just greed, nothing else.

Lowering taxes for companies great.... but why do you think that ll help lower prices? they ll take the tax breaks, and laugh all the way to the bank, while you still pay the same for it.

 

What you need are major regulations, that limit the market place (so these companies dont keep screwing you over).

But regulations are evil and they are killing jobs. Haven't you learned anything from businessman Trump? Regulating companies means that at some point there will be no jobs anymore, except for the ones that the Mexicans are stealing. Then nobody will have money for healthcare anymore.

Also, regulation and government intervention is the opposite freedom. You are literally killing bald eagles.



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The reason our healthcare sucks balls is because the medical BUSINESS has totally infiltrated our government to the point where certain elected officials are basically puppets. It's systematic as well. These psycho cock suckers send lobbyists into Washington to buy off crooked politicians and then spend even MORE money manipulating the public into thinking that all of this shit is somehow "American".

It's a cycle that can't be broken. People are too naive and brainwashed to realize what's going on. When you have voters in southern states on Medicaid, voting for "leaders" who want to take away said Medicaid... you know the system is too fucked up to ever get fixed.