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Ljink96 said:
Zkuq said:

Emulation is not piracy even if you don't own the game. Piracy is the act of making an illegal copy, no matter how that copy ends up being used. Emulation itself is under no circumstances piracy. Emulation and piracy are often (but not always) related, but they're two clearly distinct things. I don't mind discussing piracy in the context of emulation, but claming emulation itself is piracy under any circumstances is just incorrect.

True, emulation isn't piracy, I agree that's a mistake that i said, but emulating pirated software is illegal. That's why 3DS owners get banned from online activities of their game ID isn't unique. It doesn't matter who ripped the software and uploaded it, the act of emulating software that has been pirated is illegal. Emulation itself, not just with games, is fine. Emulating copied software, isn't. And I'm not going to act like I'm high and mighty, I've played copied software many times. Games that could never be released in the US and carts that are too expensive, I'll emulate it. Many game developers have admitted to playing illegal copies of software. Not saying that it's okay or anything but0 I just want to solidify that. 

Hmm, are you sure about that? Getting banned doesn't really mean it's illegal, just that it's against the term of service, which, strictly speaking, probably isn't illegal. (Technically it doesn't even have to be against the ToS, in practice it's probably enough if the service provider doesn't like what you're doing.) Anyway, even if it really is illegal, you make a fine distinction and I must salute you!



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AlfredoTurkey said:
It warms the heart when I see regular people coming into message boards trying to control other regular people like they're God, the law or even a moderator.

Emulation is piracy. It's illegal and theft. Do it if you want but don't get mad at us because your conscious can't come to terms with that.

As in the video I posted, emulation is not illegal. So, there's nothing to have to get to terms with.



Partly confused because to me they go hand and hand. Similar to when you are talking about console device you are going to talk about games. Sorry but piracy is part of emulation, that is why it is discussed with emulation. 



 

BasilZero said:
Acevil said:

Partly confused because to me they go hand and hand. Similar to when you are talking about console device you are going to talk about games. Sorry but piracy is part of emulation, that is why it is discussed with emulation. 

 

It is fine to express your distaste on emulation however it isnt fine when you go into a thread with the goal in mind to shitpost about how much you hate it.

 

Its like going into a Bloodborne thread and saying - "I WISH I COULD PLAY THIS AT 120 FPS IF IT CAME OUT ON PC".  Nobody cares, if you cant contribute to the topic, then dont say anything - thats the point of this topic.

Don't people do that already? Infact that is the one thing I did notice about Zelda, people doing that. 



 

BasilZero said:
WagnerPaiva said:

Speaking of emulation and Persona, oh boy oh boy, thos Persona games on the SNES were ROUGH. The series really changed for the better with the time.

 

There werent any Persona games on SNES.....you mean SMT right? lol

 

 

First persona game came out on PS1.

Yes, Shin Megami Tensei games. I played three of them on the SNES I think. Weird weird stuff. I loved Persona 3 and liked Persona 4. Never played the PS1 games. Would love to try them.

I have the means to do so... But I feel kinda guilty. Would love if Sony just released PS1 games on PS4 via emulation, I would buy a bunch.



My grammar errors are justified by the fact that I am a brazilian living in Brazil. I am also very stupid.

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BasilZero said:
WagnerPaiva said:

Yes, Shin Megami Tensei games. I played three of them on the SNES I think. Weird weird stuff. I loved Persona 3 and liked Persona 4. Never played the PS1 games. Would love to try them.

 

Persona 1 Portable and Persona 2 Innocent Sin are available on PSP/PSV PSN store while the Persona 2 Eternal Punishment game is available on PSP/PSV/PS3 PSN store.

 

I wouldnt recommend playing the original PS1 versions, simply unplayable because of the map textures :X.

Yes, I do not own anymore a PS3, PSP or PSV. =(



My grammar errors are justified by the fact that I am a brazilian living in Brazil. I am also very stupid.

i emulate and i pirate, idgaf.

ill download a rom for a game that i dont own when the only other legal alternative is to pay hundreds of dollars to some ass on ebay who marked up the price 10* over what it would have been at retail because he thinks its rare.

as for new games, the only one on a recent console that comes to mind is breah of the wild, and only because it had a wii version, last i checked emulation of anything at or newer than ps3/360 is so worthlessly slow that it doesnt seem worth it at all, everything older than that isnt important anyway.

 

i do have some morals though, i draw the line at pirating games that can still be bought new in stores, as its then still new enough to matter.



Bristow9091 said:

This has been an interesting thread to read, and I know what it's linked to, so I'm going to leave my two cents here;

You are, of course, free to make threads about emulation and such, since as you've said, it's not against the rules, that is true. However, making a thread on a rather controversial topic and expecting only positive opinions and thoughts, without any disagreements, is just wishful thinking... it's like making a Donald Trump appreciation thread, it'd be impossible to NOT have opposing opinions clash within in.

Something that you've mentioned over and over, which I strongly disagree with, is that emulation and piracy are not related... in my opinion, and it would appear the opinion of others here too, emulation and piracy pretty much go hand in hand, talking about emulation will naturally, over a course of time, lead to talk of piracy. You're saying that people who talk about piracy in an emulation thread are going off topic, when it really isn't, it's just the other side of the coin... the emulation talk and "Look how much better we can make this game look and run!" stuff is the positive side of said coin, whereas the piracy talk is the negative.

Of course, not all emulation leads to piracy, and I was never trying to imply that... however, I do think it's safe to assume that the majority of, let's call it unofficial emulation (ie. Not backwards comparability or backed by the owners of the consoles you're emulating), don't own the original products they're emulating, and have done so through means of piracy.

Where I am is somewhere in the middle of it all, although I do think I lean more towards piracy since that's how I've always seen the majority of emulation used for, rather than buying the games, people have downloaded them and used an emulator in order to play them.

I'm not going to call people out over emulation, either in a post or by making a thread about it, but I do think that if you have the right to make a thread about it, then people also have the right to debate it, whether it be in the same thread or its own, since as I've said, I do believe that you can't talk about one without the other coming up, and having a good ol' back and forth is a good thing, as long as you keep it civil.

Also just so you know, the mod team has heard you, it's been brought up in the mod chat, and the decision is this;
We are going to let things stay how they are. We won't be moderating emulation threads or people who disagree with the topic and bring up piracy within said threads, unless of course either the threads or individual posts include the promotion of piracy, and/or links to illegal downloads and/or sources.

But I don't understand this. If the thread is about the improvements that an API makes in a game that is being emulated, how is piracy relevant to that? I can kinda get if it's a thread like, "Look at how amazing emulation is compared to regular consoles" but a thread about an API improvement having talks about piracy is not considered to be off-topic?

I don't get how piracy has anything to do with debating an API improvement...



                  

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In order to emulate a game you need a copy of said game. Especially with BoTW or Persona 5. If that copy was downloaded from the internet then that copy has been pirated. Piracy is a form of theft.

So what we really have here, is a group of thieves asking the mods to ban anyone that calls them out for their theft. This is beyond the pale. Nobody should be banned for calling out thieves. The opposite should be happening. Anybody that mentions or links to piracy sites, or piracy instructions for modern games should be banned period.

Also, apologies to the legitimate emulation community out there. If you own a legit copy of a game, then you should be able to play it on whatever you want. Pirating copies of old games in order to emulate them is technically illegal, but I have no problem with it.


TL/DR: If you don't own a BotW or P5 disk/cart, and you are playing it, then you are a thief and should be banned.



Captain_Yuri said:
Bristow9091 said:

This has been an interesting thread to read, and I know what it's linked to, so I'm going to leave my two cents here;

You are, of course, free to make threads about emulation and such, since as you've said, it's not against the rules, that is true. However, making a thread on a rather controversial topic and expecting only positive opinions and thoughts, without any disagreements, is just wishful thinking... it's like making a Donald Trump appreciation thread, it'd be impossible to NOT have opposing opinions clash within in.

Something that you've mentioned over and over, which I strongly disagree with, is that emulation and piracy are not related... in my opinion, and it would appear the opinion of others here too, emulation and piracy pretty much go hand in hand, talking about emulation will naturally, over a course of time, lead to talk of piracy. You're saying that people who talk about piracy in an emulation thread are going off topic, when it really isn't, it's just the other side of the coin... the emulation talk and "Look how much better we can make this game look and run!" stuff is the positive side of said coin, whereas the piracy talk is the negative.

Of course, not all emulation leads to piracy, and I was never trying to imply that... however, I do think it's safe to assume that the majority of, let's call it unofficial emulation (ie. Not backwards comparability or backed by the owners of the consoles you're emulating), don't own the original products they're emulating, and have done so through means of piracy.

Where I am is somewhere in the middle of it all, although I do think I lean more towards piracy since that's how I've always seen the majority of emulation used for, rather than buying the games, people have downloaded them and used an emulator in order to play them.

I'm not going to call people out over emulation, either in a post or by making a thread about it, but I do think that if you have the right to make a thread about it, then people also have the right to debate it, whether it be in the same thread or its own, since as I've said, I do believe that you can't talk about one without the other coming up, and having a good ol' back and forth is a good thing, as long as you keep it civil.

Also just so you know, the mod team has heard you, it's been brought up in the mod chat, and the decision is this;
We are going to let things stay how they are. We won't be moderating emulation threads or people who disagree with the topic and bring up piracy within said threads, unless of course either the threads or individual posts include the promotion of piracy, and/or links to illegal downloads and/or sources.

But I don't understand this. If the thread is about the improvements that an API makes in a game that is being emulated, how is piracy relevant to that? I can kinda get if it's a thread like, "Look at how amazing emulation is compared to regular consoles" but a thread about an API improvement having talks about piracy is not considered to be off-topic?

I don't get how piracy has anything to do with debating an API improvement...

I don't get it either. It's like those that don't know what's going on, assume they know better than those that do. That's what's been going on in 3 of these threads so far. At elast 3 people who are cock sure, in the face of information and facts, that those interested in what is going on are somehow wrong.

 

Also what counts as disagreement anyway?, because it sounds very ambigious as to what type of disagreements that can be made. Calling emulation piracy is certainly not called a "disagreement", it's stating something else entirely, and as such it does actually take the thread on emulation progress off topic. Idgaf what spin anyone tries, to those that "disagree" with emulation, taking priacy into a thread about emulation progress is in fact derailing it.

 

You can easily go "I disagree with emulation" and walk out the door you came in, but you'll also know that in saying the same line over and over (because we've had this so far in 3 other threads and oh my, it won't be the last either) isn't adding anything meaningful to the topic either. 

 

Literally all we've had so far in terms of talk is one group rabbling on about piracy, while the otehr just wants to talk about the levels of progression being made with certain emulators. That's it, that's all those people want. Talk of piracy at this point is just being used as  ameans to shut up the group who wants to talk about a subject that the other group wants to talk about.

 

Also that last part on moderating someone who talks about linking piracy, that's highly selective right there, because that fits perfectly with the side who dislikes piracy and sees emulation as piracy. It's not even balanced in a way to protect the thread topic on an emulator or it's progress, because the same people can just enter the same threads and tuter the same piracy talk over and over, then we call in the mods and those who filed the reports get banned...

 

We even have someone playing backseat mod already...



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