thismeintiel said: Turkish said: "Spencer spoke about the success of the games-as-a-service model, where games like Destiny are supported over the long-term rather than being released as a title that's never updated or expanded" Oh god no, I'm very scared what they are getting inspired by. I wish they just looked at Sony and said "our competitors are making big bucks with singleplayer games, we should try it too!" but nope. That's why I want them to go 3rd party or just stick to making PC games, soon.  And if the Scorpio falls flat on its face, there's a good chance they do.  Lately, they just keep introducing horrible ideas to gaming that are completely obvious in their nature, to suck as much dough out of consumers as possible.  And Xbox fans just eat it up.  And they wonder why Xbox is in the spot it's in.

• EA Access
• Bethesda mods
• Steam-like refund policy
• XBox Game Pass
• Backwards compatibility
• 4K Blu-Ray player

Horrible ideas! That backwards compatibility, I tell ya! Doesn't Microsoft know charging a fee to allow previous-gen titles to stream on your current-gen console is more consumer-friendly? And that completely-optional EA Access? Bah! EA Access "does not bring the kind of value ... customers" who can't be left to decide for themselves "have come to expect". Attempts at emulating Steam-like refunds? Giving people their money back for digital purchases is the definition of anti-consumer! It's in the dictionary! And a built-in 4K blu-ray player is so horribly ANTI-CONSUMER! Consumers WANT to buy a separate 4k blu-ray player for their 4k blu-ray player needs.

#4theconsumer

Microsoft simply don't get it. Subscription-based episodic content? They've added all those bells and whistles to the XboxOne but are still failing to see what they're doing wrong. Create a substantial number of varied, first party exclusives that can only be played on the Xbox One and they'll be back in the game. But no, that's too hard apparently.

What makes Netflix successful is that they offer the completed movies/tv shows, not only part of it. I think they're thinking of it wrong. If they want a subscription service to work they need to offer full line-up of games available right away. Perhaps they can get away with new games releasing a year later like some non-Netflix shows do and with Xbox first-party releasing right away both for regular consumer consumption and in their Netflix like service.

Sooo... it's like releasing games in an episodic format? I don't really get it. It doesn't sound good though.

Well, I don't like MS as a whole, and am unlikely to ever buy an Xbox again, but those are undeniably all nice bullet-points for the brand. I like how well thought out the Scorpio looks to be as well. The last 2 or so years have seen a pretty decent shift in it's conduct towards it's existing, and potential customers.

Wow, is this your first gen ever?  You actually credit MS for bringing those ideas to gaming?  Man, I just don't know how people become "those" types of fans.

What are you talking about? All those were horrible ideas and terribly anti-consumer, meant "to suck as much dough out of consumers as possible".

Some of them are new ideas. Some of them are not. Whether new or old, they can be pretty good to the consumer either way and it's Microsoft that's adopting them.

I just wanna give credit where it's due.

The types that address the message as opposed to lash out at the messenger?

My post was about ideas brought to gaming.  NOT what the XBO is offering, now.  Reading comprehension is a must.  But, for your sake, I'll address each point.

EA Access - Sorry, but I don't want EVERY gaming company to come out with their own "service."  Of course, this was EA's idea, not MS, so they get the credit and/or blame.

Bethesda Mods - Again, had nothing to do with MS, so Bethesda gets the credit for this.  Sure, MS is more open with them on their system, but they really aren't in the position to do otherwise.

Steam-like Refund Policy - The fact Steam is in the point shows where the credit should go.  Considering MS is trying to compete with Steam on PCs, its obvious why they have adopted this policy.  Still I can't knock them for doing it.

Xbox Game Pass - Their answer to PS Now.  I will say I prefer their method of actually downloading the games.  Of course, this also comes with the big disadvantage that you HAVE to have a XBO.

B/C - I think this is a pretty obvious one.  This idea dates back to Atari systems.  Nintendo HHs.  And PS brought it back as a standard for home consoles.  Unfortunately, the PS3 architecture doesn't allow the PS4 to have it.  I fully expect the PS5 to be B/C with the PS4, though.  This is one that's a nice feature to have, but in the big picture, as sales show, means nothing.

4K Blu-ray -  Another feature that's nice to have, but in the big picture, as sales show (yet again), means nothing.  Though, funny how you give MS credit for something Sony co-created with Philips.  Now, did you feel this was a big point in favor of the PS3 last gen against the 360's DVDs?  Or did you think it wasn't that big a deal?  Now, I'm guessing the PS5 will have a 4K Bluray player, but at this point in time, the interest in them is EXTREMELY niche.

Now, let's actually look at the things MS get FULL credit for bringing/trying to bring to the industry.

• 24 hour check-ins to play your games
• Not allowing you to sell or lend out your games
• More restrictive policies for indie companies
• Timed exclusivity for DLC
• And if Spencer gets his wish, AAA games coming out in pieces you pay monthly for.  Basically, early access on consoles, with all its BS.

Like I said, lately they have brought nothing good to the industry.  In fact, it's exactly the opposite.  If not for Sony and the PS4, console gaming would have become a hell hole of restrictions.

thismeintiel said: Turkish said: "Spencer spoke about the success of the games-as-a-service model, where games like Destiny are supported over the long-term rather than being released as a title that's never updated or expanded" Oh god no, I'm very scared what they are getting inspired by. I wish they just looked at Sony and said "our competitors are making big bucks with singleplayer games, we should try it too!" but nope. That's why I want them to go 3rd party or just stick to making PC games, soon.  And if the Scorpio falls flat on its face, there's a good chance they do.  Lately, they just keep introducing horrible ideas to gaming that are completely obvious in their nature, to suck as much dough out of consumers as possible.  And Xbox fans just eat it up.  And they wonder why Xbox is in the spot it's in.

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