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SvennoJ said:

No, I meant their own drm got hacked. You're supposed to pay minimum $5 a month to get the early patreon builds.

What do you mean "their own DRM"?.

As far as I can see there has been a virus implanted to open a backdoor. Are you trying to say their Patreon was hacked?.



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Chazore said:
SvennoJ said:

No, I meant their own drm got hacked. You're supposed to pay minimum $5 a month to get the early patreon builds.

What do you mean "their own DRM"?.

As far as I can see there has been a virus implanted to open a backdoor. Are you trying to say their Patreon was hacked?.

Yes, that's what the crack does. Remove the drm from the patreon build that requires a patreon ID and online connection to run at full speed. If not, it throttles down to run a lot slower and at least in an earlier build it wouldn't run Botw.



SvennoJ said:

Yes, that's what the crack does. Remove the drm from the patreon build that requires a patreon ID and online connection to run at full speed. If not, it throttles down to run a lot slower and at least in an earlier build it wouldn't run Botw.

I was talking about the Redit thead that was posted recently, talking about the latest build having a virus implanted, that opens up a backdoor on their computer.



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Cerebralbore101 said:
Playing BoTW on your PC when you don't own a physical copy is theft plain and simple.

nice... Except, you know... not being true.  If it were, copyright violations would be prosecuted as criminal theft.
And they aren't... Because they don't remove the original object from owner's possession.
Copyright violation is not a natural crime, it is due to laws written at behest of powerful interests, taking away natural right to copy.
The entire field is driven by lawyers who know what they are doing, so it is 100% intentional when they misinform the public to get them to "believe in" law.
So you're engaged in propagating some lies, a moral crime, for benefit of those who get laws written to their benefit.
And if you notice, your own and many other posters here use COPYRIGHTED IMAGES as their avatars/sig images.
Why don't you troll every single thread over that issue?  That being an ACTUAL, PRESENT copyright violation right here on the forum,
as opposed to discussing in text a phenomenon which may in some cases involve a coyright violation...
Which in many countries, is not actually a crime of the person using it, only of anybody distributing and making money of actual violation.
I mean, the powerful corporations who make money off this would like to be omni-potent, but actual court cases in many countries
prevent them from doing so, the actual law does not support the copyright-monopoly-rentierism you blindly worship.



Chazore said:
SvennoJ said:

Yes, that's what the crack does. Remove the drm from the patreon build that requires a patreon ID and online connection to run at full speed. If not, it throttles down to run a lot slower and at least in an earlier build it wouldn't run Botw.

I was talking about the Redit thead that was posted recently, talking about the latest build having a virus implanted, that opens up a backdoor on their computer.

The one you posted? They suspect it's the crack

we discovered that our pirated CEMU or more likely the crack of the pirated Cemu had created an unauthorized backdoor to both of our systems calling out to an external ip address, after a quick whois, we discovered that the ip goes out to Moscow Russia.

I doubt the official patreon version has a virus build in. Yet perhaps they circulated a pirated version with the virus backdoor themselves to discourage piracy. No honor among thieves :D



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SvennoJ said:

The one you posted? They suspect it's the crack

we discovered that our pirated CEMU or more likely the crack of the pirated Cemu had created an unauthorized backdoor to both of our systems calling out to an external ip address, after a quick whois, we discovered that the ip goes out to Moscow Russia.

I doubt the official patreon version has a virus build in. Yet perhaps they circulated a pirated version with the virus backdoor themselves to discourage piracy. No honor among thieves :D

Yeah, it's the virus doing that, not the crack. The virus was implanted within the crack itself. It's likely from an unknown party that;s done this. I really don't see why the official CEMU providers would so such a thing to those that pay them. I doubt the official guys circulated a crack to screw over the people that paid them...

 

IP coming from Russia, no surprise there.



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mutantsushi said:
Cerebralbore101 said:
Playing BoTW on your PC when you don't own a physical copy is theft plain and simple.

nice... Except, you know... not being true.  If it were, copyright violations would be prosecuted as criminal theft.
And they aren't... Because they don't remove the original object from owner's possession.
Copyright violation is not a natural crime, it is due to laws written at behest of powerful interests, taking away natural right to copy.
The entire field is driven by lawyers who know what they are doing, so it is 100% intentional when they misinform the public to get them to "believe in" law.
So you're engaged in propagating some lies, a moral crime, for benefit of those who get laws written to their benefit.
And if you notice, your own and many other posters here use COPYRIGHTED IMAGES as their avatars.
Why don't you troll every single thread over that issue?  That being an ACTUAL, PRESENT copyright violation right here on the forum,
as opposed to discussing in text a phenomenon which may in some cases involve a coyright violation...
Which in many countries, is not actually a crime of the person using it, only of anybody distributing and making money of actual violation.
I mean, the powerful corporations who make money off this would like to be omni-potent, but actual court cases in many countries
prevent them from doing so, the actual law does not support the corporate-copyright-monopoly-rentierism you blindly worship.

Actually mine is from a painting my wife made

which is incidentally a great analogy to how emulators are a legal grey area
http://www.pcgamer.com/the-ethics-of-emulation-how-creators-the-community-and-the-law-view-console-emulators/

Copyright protection extends only to the expression of an idea—not to the underlying idea itself. That is the difference between patents and copyrights. This distinction—commonly referred to as the 'idea/expression dichotomy'—is codified in § 102(b) of the Copyright Act, 17 U.S.C.S. § 102(b), which provides that in no case does copyright protection for an original work of authorship extend to any idea, procedure, process, system, method of operation, concept, principle, or discovery, regardless of the form in which it is described, explained, illustrated, or embodied in such work."

Actually it's not, that painting is copyright infringement, still the expression of an idea. (Emulators are fine as long as they reverse engineer everything and don't directly copy any code, hence pcsx2 coms without the bios)

I own 4 copies of the movie though :/

Anyway pirating 1 picture from a movie or game for an avatar vs the whole movie or game... The former falls under fair use so far. It's not been directly challenged in court yet. However https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Perfect_10,_Inc._v._Amazon.com,_Inc. Google won in a fair use case for using thumbnails in their image search. While earlier Sony lost in 2000 against Bleem, against using copyrighted playstation game images. Avatars of copyrighted images are fine.

Piracy however is not legal.



CladInShadows said:
Cerebralbore101 said:
Playing BoTW on your PC when you don't own a physical copy is theft plain and simple.

Factually correct.  Playing BOTW on your PC when you DO own a physical copy is not theft, however.

Yep. If somebody buys a copy, they can play it however they want. I'm all for a perfect Wii U emulator coming out three to five years from now, when none of the games are available on store shelves. That'll be the only way to play certain Wii U games other than shelling out $80 for somebody's used copy. But these Cemu guys are making it possible to steal a game that is on store shelves for a brand new system.



Natsu said:
Cerebralbore101 said:
Playing BoTW on your PC when you don't own a physical copy is theft plain and simple.

Alright? this isn't about whether it's theft or not need to bring it up. 

OT: Nice to see it's coming along good, really great work by the developers. 

if you own a copy it may not technically be theft. Unfortunately something like this, like any emulator, is going to be abused and used almost entirely by people who DON'T own the game.

that's a fact. if these guys put this out to public access (or already have) they will get shut down incredibly quickly. Anyone doubtful should see what has happened to virtually any fans or devs doing the same in the past.

and with a new game it would be 100% fair. It is infringing upon Nintendo's potential sales because hypothetically anyone could obtain it, regardless of owning the game. 

Sorry kiddos but Nintendo would (and probably will) have a won lawsuit with no effort in terms of potential sales lost from something like this. Focus on using emulators for games that are dead and not sold anymore. Doing this sort of stuff on a new game is just lunacy because its not any random person online's intellectural property to edit and then redistribute to the webs

next thing you know some of you will claim that if you take a Taylor Swift album and slightly edit a few tracks and reupload it online that it will NOT be copyright infringement to put up a torrent of it. Just dumb logic from some. Maybe in certain countries, but for most of the West it will never fly if Nintendo cares to do anything about it



Cerebralbore101 said:
CladInShadows said:

Factually correct.  Playing BOTW on your PC when you DO own a physical copy is not theft, however.

Yep. If somebody buys a copy, they can play it however they want. I'm all for a perfect Wii U emulator coming out three to five years from now, when none of the games are available on store shelves. That'll be the only way to play certain Wii U games other than shelling out $80 for somebody's used copy. But these Cemu guys are making it possible to steal a game that is on store shelves for a brand new system.

oh its definitely more than legal gray area like some here are suggesting. There are loads of laws on potentially effecting someone's sales and revenue from their intellectual property/products. something likel Cemu is not gray because regardless of INTENT it vastly will be used to torrent things

the logic some of you are using is the same that could be used for any torrent site that has been shut down (KAT, Piratebay, etc.)- that BECAUSE its objective originally supposedly is to only share things legally, that it can't be shut down because of all of the illegal downloads. Obviously that's been proven false.

unfortunately in life if there's something that hypothetically could be used just fine but is being used 99% of the time in an illegal fashion- it'll be taken down. like 0.01% of people who own this game currently are likely even aware of this project. That speaks volumes.