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Forums - Nintendo Discussion - Youtuber Arlo Nails It On Switch's Appeal And Oppurtunities

Cerebralbore101 on 24 April 2017

Half the GBA's library was just ports of ten year old SNES classics. And it worked! Popular games should never be left in a state where they can't sell. Porting older and popular games is one thing Nintendo has always gotten right. Older games often find a brand new audience in gamers that weren't alive at the time of release, or were too young to afford games.

Old ports can't support a system alone though. Just look at what happened to the Vita. Lots of ports, but no new original games. The main meat of a console is always the *new* games that it has on offer. Ports are icing on the cake, not the cake itself.

Just imagine the following Switch ports...

Batman Trilogy (Arkham Knight, Asylum, and City)

Mass Effect Trilogy

Portal Portable (Portal and Portal 2)

Super Mario Collection (Sunshine, Galaxy and Galaxy 2)

Pikmin Trilogy

Zelda Triple Pack (Twilight Princess, Windwaker, BoTW: All DLC edition)

Fallout Doublepack (Fallout 3 + New Vegas)

GTA Double Pack (IV, and V)

Far Cry Compilation Switch Edition

Dead Space Trilogy

Assassin's Creed Triple Pack

Dark Souls 1 + 2 Collection (Jolly Co-operation via local  multi-player!)

Capcom Classsics (Every Capcom Gamecube Game on one cart + Okami)



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KLAMarine on 24 April 2017
VGPolyglot said:
It's so surprising seeing how much he's grown in popularity, I remember when he was on here and linked his channel, and he had barely any subscribers!

Arlo was a user here?

Edit: nevermind, saw it.



KLAMarine on 24 April 2017

RE4 on Switch.

Capcom, you want my wallet? Make RE4 Switch happen.



Ganoncrotch on 24 April 2017
d21lewis said:
I have a Vita, a 3DS, and finally the Switch.

I haven't really been turning on the two former consoles often, if ever. With Switch (and Zelda), I couldn't turn it off. Now that I've finished it, I haven't been bringing my Switch to work, either. With BIG games and no compromise, I'd be happily to go with the Switch version, even over the PS4/XBO version.

My dream is WWE 2K18--a game that requires a huge time investment. Time that I have at work and I'd gladly commit.

Yeah this is my feelings exactly with the Switch, I love the ps4/Vita connectivity but really for total freedom if it was a choice between Switch and PS4 just for the ability to take it with me anywhere, the Switch version is being bought every day of the week. Even with the graphical comprimises, doesn't matter how great a game would look playing it if I'm on a lunch break for an hour and in the canteen of work. Great.... I've got a 1080p version at home on the shelf, wonderful!



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Jumpin on 24 April 2017

wrong thread...

So uh....... Great video!!!



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dharh on 24 April 2017
Soundwave said:
zorg1000 said:

Idk, PSP in 2005 & Vita in 2011 are probably close to the equivalent of Switch in 2017 in terms of hardware grunt. PSP was like right in between PS1 & PS2, Vita between PS2 & PS3 and Switch between PS3 & PS4.

The main difference is the split in software support. Switch will be the sole Nintendo platform going forward (once 3DS sales & support dries up in the next year or so) and will see the support of 3DS & Wii U (and likely Vita) consolidated into a single unified ecosystem.

The thing is when you get to that PS3/360 territory of processing power, you get into an area of shaders/geometry/textures/resolution clairty etc. that while maybe not exactly bleeding edge are to a point where people can plausibly deem them even home experiences. You can have a scope/scale/look of games that are still reasonably modern looking. 

The COD and Assassin's Creed on the Vita plainly looked like PS2 games on steroids, and then two years later PS4 comes out so it's basically two full generations behind. This is the thing with mobile, you want to pick one side of the road to stand on (either extremely low end and cheap, or high end and premium ... walk in the middle of the road and you are going to get run over). 

The leap from the PS2 to PS3 gen is really huge, and Vita did not quite make it there. Other factors too, like IMO I think the teeny tiny portable concept has had it's day and that day is past. Nintendo was smart to embrace a more tablet-like form factor with a larger display, larger buttons, more robust analog sticks, etc. This lends itself better to the concept of a portable console. 

Eh.  Dunno if I agree the 'teeny tiny portable concept' is done.  The reason I don't play games on tablets (and phones for that matter) is largely due to size and lack of physical controls.  So while the Switch maintains the dedicated handheld ability of physical controls, it is too big for my uses.  The PSVita was the sweet spot imo on size, anything larger wont even fit my pockets.

But the Vita is largely dead and the Switch is new.  Nintendo is prone to doing multiple SKUs per handheld, so maybe they will do a smaller version that could potentially work for me.  Some people say that a full portable version doesn't make sense, since then it wouldn't be a 'Switch', but people forget that the original concept of the NX Project was the idea of a unified ecosystem for both console and handheld.  The next dedicated handheld that replaces the fairly old 3DS could very well play Switch games.

But to the larger idea of the Switch, im still actually more interested in the home console part of it.  No way do I want to play games like BOTW or Xenoblade on a portable.



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d21lewis on 24 April 2017

Really, the only bad thing I could say about Vita in terms of its hardware is the lack of certain buttons. Anything else, I could work around. The Switch doesn't really have that limitation.



Soundwave on 24 April 2017

This is kind of how I see it, and it's a crude analogy I know and you could use men's photos here just as easily, but it's kinda how I see it:

Vita:

A cute girl. Definitely not ugly. 

 

Nintendo Switch:

OK, definitely a notch up. She's not the hottest girl in the world or anything but I mean most people are going to be impressed if you introduce her as your girlfriend. By going here you definitely get into the "hot" categorey. This is Switch. 

 

Consoles/PC:

OK yeah. This girl you can tell is a model from 50 feet away. 



Miyamotoo on 25 April 2017
Mummelmann said:
Soundwave said:

I think the reverse. That's what makes the Switch unique. Home sized experiences on the go. 

There's only a small market left for "small/medium" experiences because mobile can seep into that territory and has made that a red ocean. Mobile doesn't need buttons because it has its own killer app -- free, which evens the odds, or puts the odds in its favor even. 

That leaves a nichey audience base of people who like things like weird Japanese RPGs and other off-beat titles, and that doesn't really amount to much. Vita tried to sell off these experiences and indie games and got nowhere. 

Those games are OK as support titles but they're not going to sell systems. Things like Zelda and Mario Odyessy will. 

This is pretty much what the Vita aimed for though, like a small PS3-ish device for on the go gaming with some "big gaming" titles to help it sell (no, it won't sell like the Vita, of course, I'm just saying that this in and on itself isn't a selling point from a marketing perspective). The fact that you add the possibility to dock it to your TV doesn't sell the other concept by default. I rememeber seeing the reveal trailer, the guy playing Skyrim on the plane with the joy-con's looked absolutely ridiculous and I can't imagine there being any sort of huge market for this type of gaming. Sure, you could use a pro controller instead, but then you're starting to make it rather inconvenient when you carry so much stuff around (same goes for the attachment to weld two joy-con's into one controller, this becomes seriosuly bulky to wield for on-the go gaming). I just can't see how the Switch will convince people who want "big gaming" with this concept of taking it to the bus of coffeeshop or school, nor can I see how they'll capture the "small games" market, who only wants the very simplest and most convenient for their quick fix. I fear that once again, Nintendo have placed themselves squarely between two or more markets and that this will limit the appeal long term.

It's also worth noting that, despite the times we live in, Nintendo have once more opted to promote local multiplayer as a main selling point and they've made the process and practical sides of online multiplater needlessly cumbersome with many design choices and lack of features. You know what; I'm not seeing this being the amazing comet on the market that many seem to think. It's perfect for Japan though, but to me there's no sense in expecting another Wii, they're not creating a blue ocean, at best they're tossing a somewhat bipolar lure into a rather orange one.

Well Switch is even in portable mode stronger than Wii U, Switch is in any case most strongest Nintendo hardware, we talking about full AAA Nintendo games, not scaled down like in Vita case, fact that Switch has full big ass new 3D Zelda on launch proves that.

Main selling point of Switch is of course different possibilities of use, you can use it like ever you want and wherever you want, Switch offers full home console experience, full handheld experience, tabletop mode, local multiplayer in handheld or tabletop mode, two controllers out of box for multiplayer. And different possibilities of Switch use is aiming at different types of market, effectively aiming at home console and handheld market in same time.

The guy playing Skyrim on the plane with the joy-cons is real life situation, and dont look at all ridiculous, two joy-cons are very practical for use and actually surprisingly comfortable. Talking about people who would want smaller device, its almost certain that Nintendo in one point will release smaller/cheaper Switch just for handheld play.

Switch hybrid idea and unified platform is very smart and actually very logical idea if we know how much Nintendo struggled with Wii U and 3DS when they needed to support two different platforms in same time, and that will actually be one of strongest points of Switch, full and undivided support from Nintendo.



Mnementh on 25 April 2017
KLAMarine said:
RE4 on Switch.

Capcom, you want my wallet? Make RE4 Switch happen.

Yeah, I would get that. Also RE1 and Zero.



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