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bdbdbd said

You know, the post you liked described how you could support something that you don't even stand for, it was a very narrow view on the subject. If you support the movement, you support everything the movement stands for. Why would you join feministic movement to support something the feministic movement doesn't support, instead of joining a movement that supports the same things you do. The more diverse the movement is, the less it is driving the things you support (because of people have differing interests). If you join a movement to support things the movement doesn't support, it is still you alone supporting the things, only the difference is, that now you support it in the inside instead being on the outside.

Well, this is from someone who do identify as a feminist and view feminism as something that do support men as well. I just think more could be achieved in the long run by supporting feminism, a movement that has grown big enough to have the power to change. And because of how big feminism is I think more diversity would be a positive. It would also make it a whole lot harder for the radicals to get support for their men are evil-narrative if more men at the very least stood up for feminism. Plenty of men's issues are rooted in the very traditional gender roles that feminism is combating so I think it would make sense to work together.



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naruball said:
bdbdbd said:

So, what you're trying to say with the statistics comment? Can't be trusted, or what? If those statistics can't be trusted, can we trust the statistics the feminists use to prove their point on gender unequality? If we can, why can we trust them, but not these statistics?

Gonna have to quote myself to answer that.

"Tbh, I have to agree with some people that say that some of these statistics are wrong or at least misleading. Like, do they take into account how dangerous some of the jobs that some men do compare to the jobs women are assigned to in the same company?

Or, would you, as an employer hire a woman in her early thirties who hasn't had a baby but is married over a man with similar qualifications? Would you promote a woman who will most likely need to be absent from work for long periods in the future?"

 

The polls the other user cited show that most people don't claim to be feminists, not that they don't like the feminist movement, not that there is anything wrong with feminism. So, yes, it is misleading. Out of the people who answered, who knows what they meant when they said they're not feminists. It could mean a whole lot of things (hated, indifferent to them, kind of like them, like them, but I'm not part of their group, etc). If someone were to ask me "are you a buddhist?", I would answer "no", but based on what I've heard about it, I'd say its message sounds great. I just don't want to label myself that way.

You know, that's kind of pointless argumentation. His point was, that most of the people that are pro-equality, are not feminists. Being a feminist means that you have feministic worldview. This worldview is what people are rejecting. 

naruball said:
bdbdbd said:

No, I haven't met it without realising it. I have met people who just don't know how to help. All they can say is to either to go to a shrink or cry a river, build a bridge and get over it. 

Yes of course I can see your point. If it fits you the best, then it is the right movement for you. Everyone's going to need to make compromises, but if the movement isn't supporting what you believe in, then it just isn't for you. So, who's political views gays and feminists were supporting then?

"Cry me a river" is exactly what I'm talking about. Dismissing it as something unimportant.

They were supporting their own causes. Gays supported gays, feminists only women. Then some members of each group started going to meetings of the other and saw the problems they were facing and wanted to help. The greater in numbers the movement became, the more people started to notice and the less politicians could ignore them.

No. You don't dismiss it, you just don't know how to help. Have you ever tried how hard it is to help someone who has hard time? What do you do when you don't know how to help? Telling someone to go to a shrink isn't any different than saying he should cry a river. 

So, they made a compromise between supporting things they don't want to support and things they support. 



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I despise 3rd wave feminism, yet I consider myself a 2nd wave feminist.. You know, back when women actually WEREN'T equal and had to fight for actual equal rights? The fact that modern 3rd wave feminism is even at odds with gaming and other entertainment in the first place, (especially when there actually ARE women being oppressed in other countries) should by itself tell you just how far they've fallen.. 

Now that women have equal rights and opportunity in the West, the modern version of feminists, in a desperate attempt to fight for their own legitimacy and existance, are grasping for straws and looking for the most minute of things to yell and scream about. 

They see gaming, a male dominated activity, and deduce that "welp, more guys than girls.. Must be sexist!" 



 

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bdbdbd said:
naruball said:

Gonna have to quote myself to answer that.

"Tbh, I have to agree with some people that say that some of these statistics are wrong or at least misleading. Like, do they take into account how dangerous some of the jobs that some men do compare to the jobs women are assigned to in the same company?

Or, would you, as an employer hire a woman in her early thirties who hasn't had a baby but is married over a man with similar qualifications? Would you promote a woman who will most likely need to be absent from work for long periods in the future?"

 

The polls the other user cited show that most people don't claim to be feminists, not that they don't like the feminist movement, not that there is anything wrong with feminism. So, yes, it is misleading. Out of the people who answered, who knows what they meant when they said they're not feminists. It could mean a whole lot of things (hated, indifferent to them, kind of like them, like them, but I'm not part of their group, etc). If someone were to ask me "are you a buddhist?", I would answer "no", but based on what I've heard about it, I'd say its message sounds great. I just don't want to label myself that way.

You know, that's kind of pointless argumentation. His point was, that most of the people that are pro-equality, are not feminists. Being a feminist means that you have feministic worldview. This worldview is what people are rejecting. 

naruball said:

"Cry me a river" is exactly what I'm talking about. Dismissing it as something unimportant.

They were supporting their own causes. Gays supported gays, feminists only women. Then some members of each group started going to meetings of the other and saw the problems they were facing and wanted to help. The greater in numbers the movement became, the more people started to notice and the less politicians could ignore them.

No. You don't dismiss it, you just don't know how to help. Have you ever tried how hard it is to help someone who has hard time? What do you do when you don't know how to help? Telling someone to go to a shrink isn't any different than saying he should cry a river

So, they made a compromise between supporting things they don't want to support and things they support. 

Not knowing how to help and saying something that prevents one from opening up to you are two different things.

Anyway, I guess we can agree to disagree.



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GribbleGrunger said:
Only the vocal minority are 'evil', the others know their place.

She said feminists, not females...



People should listen to Cassie Jaye and why she isn't a feminist anymore. Feminism is about power and getting more privileges just for being a woman.



Lawlight said:
People should listen to Cassie Jaye and why she isn't a feminist anymore. Feminism is about power and getting more privileges just for being a woman.

It's about not being mistreated just for being a woman.



VGPolyglot said:
Lawlight said:
People should listen to Cassie Jaye and why she isn't a feminist anymore. Feminism is about power and getting more privileges just for being a woman.

It's about not being mistreated just for being a woman.

Not anymore. Unless you're talking about countries like the middle east.



Lawlight said:
VGPolyglot said:

It's about not being mistreated just for being a woman.

Not anymore. Unless you're talking about countries like the middle east.

There's many ways that both sexes are unfairly treated in Western societies. In fact it's so prevalent that most people don't even notice.