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naruball said:
Jranation said:
Not sure where or how he got that idea of how the Switch "needs" to do better than the 3DS + Wii U....... lol xD

Perhaps from all of those nintendo fans who keep predicting it will sell 100m+ and even stated before its launch that the reason is that it will combine 3ds + wiiu users? Or are we supposed to pretend they never made such claims?

Doesnt matter if its nintendo side or sonys (or ms) You cant use a couple of users predictions and act like its the majority. Logically its still to early to tell but just because a couple of users believe itll do 100mil doesnt mean it (the switch) needs to outselll 3ds+wiiu combined to be successful.

 

Like i said before its good to sell a ton of hardware, but selling units isnt everything.

 

PS4 can stop selling right now, end production and despite a 20mil+ difference to PS3, its clearly the winner of the 2. Not because of HW sales, but because one made alot of money while the other lost a ton. (And seems like ps4 vs x1 ratio in softwares are killings compared to that of ps3 vs x360)

 

Its obvious lawlight is using wiiu+3ds as a goalpost because its the highest some1 could use atm. 



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Mnementh said:
Nuvendil said:

Monster Hunter 3 Ultimate was a quickly remastered Wii game, not an upscaled 3DS game.  That's a massive difference in starting quality.  Bringing Monster Hunter XX over with the same level of detail would have been far more work and take more time.  Also, would not be surprised if the Switch's Monster Hunter is currently planned to be Monster Hunter 5.  XX is an inbetween game, not the full blown next big entry.  It could be it was planned from the start as a game to capitalize on the 3DS's twilight year while saving the bigger release for the Switch.

Nope. You forget Wii was an SD console. That means 480p, which is 852x480. That are 409K pixels. 3DS has 400x240(x2 for stereoscopic view, which has to be rendered) + 320x240 for the touchscreen. As the main rendering in Monster Hunter is on the stereoscopic screen (touchscreen has 2D-elements), 3D-view has rendered for 192K pixels. So 3DS is only at around half the render-resolution. 1080p (which was Monster Hunter 3G running at) on the other hand has 1920x1080=2M pixels. The jump to HD is much more bigger than the minor change between Wii and 3DS.

Also on the memory side it is not looking good. Wii only had 88MB (is that right, Wikipedia says that, but it seems very low), 3DS had 128 MB. So Wii couldn't store bigger textures and models than 3DS.

So no, there was no massive difference in starting quality. Also, as far as I know, Capcom really ported the 3DS-version, as the Wii-version had lesser content. They would have to add this first. 3G on 3DS and WiiU could share data and had similar online, while the Wii-version had clearly different content.

And really, there was no big graphic difference between WiiU and 3DS (besides the resolution obviously). There was another detail or element here and there, but nothing serious.

Don't know why you are quoting screen resolutions at me.  When it comes to porting a game and doing a remaster, the resolution the original rendered at is pretty much moot.  It's the polygonal complexity and texture quality that matter and that's where the 3DS lags behind the Wii in a very serious and noticeable way which is where the work comes in.  I would assume - and it is a safe assumption - that when constructing the Wii U version, they would have used the Wii version's assets as often as possible, only falling back on the 3DS version's assets when they absolutely had no choice because those assets would need improving in various ways.  

And singling out RAM is a massive oversimplification.  If the GPU can't handle rendering the textures and polygons, the RAM count is entirely pointless.  Now the 3DS has a much more modern GPU, making things a lot easier since the Wii often required you create custom shaders and such.  But it's not as powerful.  

And lastly, it's possible they didn't opt for a fast and dirty port like with MHU because MHU didn't exactly do gangbusters and they would prefer to have a more impactful release for the Switch.



DarthMetalliCube said:
Lawlight said:

And that's why I'm saying it needs to match the sum of the numbers as it is both a handheld and a home console.

I've always said that Nintendo's hardware will become more and more irrelevant as time goes by - this generation will further the trend with them selling even less hardware. That's why WiiU + 3DS is the goal. But it wouldn't have trouble outselling those, right? Since it is such a success/beast according to people on this site.

Let's see here..

- moving the goal posts of what decides success? CHECK

- attempting to undermine console with various excuses? CHECK

Yep, it's already looking like we have another Wii-like hit on our hands based off the deja vu I'm getting here haha..

Ironically, I think it'll be Sony and MS home consoles that'll become increasingly irrelevant as technology/ media moves more towards mobile screens and away from traditional TV setup.

I agree with your CHECKS as they are fairly obvious :o

 

As for your next post it is deja vu but its not 100% written in stone. Anything can happen, as of right now we all know switch is guaranteed to not sell less than wiiu. As of everything else time will tell. Of course switch is in a good position so far, leta hope it keeps it up)



tbone51 said:
naruball said:

This is so flawed, it's not even funny. How did the ps2 and nds do after 3ds and ps3 launched?

I dont get what you mean by this, can you explain? (Not to startvan argument, im just curious)

 

Also there is some truth to what he said. It looks like switch is more successor to vita then anything. Looking at the current japanese support, it has some things going for it that suggest there will be plenty of softwarr in the future that will be ps4/switch multiplat insteaf of ps4vita.

 

We will get a better understanding of this in the near future of course. Vita sales are dropping but i dont think its mostly due to the switch as mang pointed out it was already going down. Minecraft was the reason it did hold on so surprisingly well this paat year and half.

I was pretty clear. You, on the other hand, not so much, I'm afraid. You didn't explain why there is truth in what he said.

He argued that the switch is the successor of vita and wiiu. Well, not necessarilly the case. Vita numbers didn't suddenly fall. It hasn't done well in quite a while and stopped getting proper support some time ago (nothing najor announced for it). So the vita numbers are far from surprising and possibly have nothing to do with the Switch. He also argued that 3ds numbers haven't been affected, but the same thing happened with ps3. The ps2 numbers remained strong. Did that mean that the ps3 was not perceived as the successor of ps2? Of course not. The ps2 got support well after the ps3 launched. Same thing happening with 3ds, hence its sales. We had a new MH game just a few weeks ago and it's been rulling the charts since it came out. Of course it helped 3ds.



tbone51 said:
naruball said:

Perhaps from all of those nintendo fans who keep predicting it will sell 100m+ and even stated before its launch that the reason is that it will combine 3ds + wiiu users? Or are we supposed to pretend they never made such claims?

Doesnt matter if its nintendo side or sonys (or ms) You cant use a couple of users predictions and act like its the majority. Logically its still to early to tell but just because a couple of users believe itll do 100mil doesnt mean it (the switch) needs to outselll 3ds+wiiu combined to be successful.

 

Like i said before its good to sell a ton of hardware, but selling units isnt everything.

 

PS4 can stop selling right now, end production and despite a 20mil+ difference to PS3, its clearly the winner of the 2. Not because of HW sales, but because one made alot of money while the other lost a ton. (And seems like ps4 vs x1 ratio in softwares are killings compared to that of ps3 vs x360)

 

Its obvious lawlight is using wiiu+3ds as a goalpost because its the highest some1 could use atm. 

Who said it's the majority? Just like we had some people saying it will do 100m+ because both 3ds and wiiu owners will buy it, we have some people saying it needs to match 3ds + wiiu sales. Why is the first group ignored and the second accused of "moving the goalpost"? Also, if you look at your posts, this is what you keep saying whenever says something; "you moved the goalpost!". Seriously, take a look at your posts even from other threads and you may notice it yourself.



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naruball said:
Jranation said:
Not sure where or how he got that idea of how the Switch "needs" to do better than the 3DS + Wii U....... lol xD

Perhaps from all of those nintendo fans who keep predicting it will sell 100m+ and even stated before its launch that the reason is that it will combine 3ds + wiiu users? Or are we supposed to pretend they never made such claims?

But LL here is saying that is "the goal".......... lmao! xD 



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Jranation said:
naruball said:

Perhaps from all of those nintendo fans who keep predicting it will sell 100m+ and even stated before its launch that the reason is that it will combine 3ds + wiiu users? Or are we supposed to pretend they never made such claims?

But LL here is saying that is "the goal".......... lmao! xD 

Not sure what you're trying to say or what your lmaoing about.



naruball said:
tbone51 said:

I dont get what you mean by this, can you explain? (Not to startvan argument, im just curious)

 

Also there is some truth to what he said. It looks like switch is more successor to vita then anything. Looking at the current japanese support, it has some things going for it that suggest there will be plenty of softwarr in the future that will be ps4/switch multiplat insteaf of ps4vita.

 

We will get a better understanding of this in the near future of course. Vita sales are dropping but i dont think its mostly due to the switch as mang pointed out it was already going down. Minecraft was the reason it did hold on so surprisingly well this paat year and half.

I was pretty clear. You, on the other hand, not so much, I'm afraid. You didn't explain why there is truth in what he said.

He argued that the switch is the successor of vita and wiiu. Well, not necessarilly the case. Vita numbers didn't suddenly fall. It hasn't done well in quite a while and stopped getting proper support some time ago (nothing najor announced for it). So the vita numbers are far from surprising and possibly have nothing to do with the Switch. He also argued that 3ds numbers haven't been affected, but the same thing happened with ps3. The ps2 numbers remained strong. Did that mean that the ps3 was not perceived as the successor of ps2? Of course not. The ps2 got support well after the ps3 launched. Same thing happening with 3ds, hence its sales. We had a new MH game just a few weeks ago and it's been rulling the charts since it came out. Of course it helped 3ds.

Bro read my post, i said the same with the vita. I justvsaid i dont think vita sales are low because of the switch lol. Only thing im telling you is that switch seems to be getting what games vita would have now.

 

As for the ps2 argument i said i didnt know anything about it hence why i ask



naruball said:
tbone51 said:

Doesnt matter if its nintendo side or sonys (or ms) You cant use a couple of users predictions and act like its the majority. Logically its still to early to tell but just because a couple of users believe itll do 100mil doesnt mean it (the switch) needs to outselll 3ds+wiiu combined to be successful.

 

Like i said before its good to sell a ton of hardware, but selling units isnt everything.

 

PS4 can stop selling right now, end production and despite a 20mil+ difference to PS3, its clearly the winner of the 2. Not because of HW sales, but because one made alot of money while the other lost a ton. (And seems like ps4 vs x1 ratio in softwares are killings compared to that of ps3 vs x360)

 

Its obvious lawlight is using wiiu+3ds as a goalpost because its the highest some1 could use atm. 

Who said it's the majority? Just like we had some people saying it will do 100m+ because both 3ds and wiiu owners will buy it, we have some people saying it needs to match 3ds + wiiu sales. Why is the first group ignored and the second accused of "moving the goalpost"? Also, if you look at your posts, this is what you keep saying whenever says something; "you moved the goalpost!". Seriously, take a look at your posts even from other threads and you may notice it yourself.

I didnt ignore the first group, you seem to think i have 100% biased toward Nintendo. So when i see 100mil+ predictions i jump aboard right? Look at the post i just replied to darth. 

 

Your post history seems to point out you have something agaisnt me which i dont understand. You seem aggressive for no reason. Im one of the biggest pro nintendo fans here yet i tell people when i get tue chance its too early to call switch a guaranteed wii success.



naruball said:
Jranation said:
Not sure where or how he got that idea of how the Switch "needs" to do better than the 3DS + Wii U....... lol xD

Perhaps from all of those nintendo fans who keep predicting it will sell 100m+ and even stated before its launch that the reason is that it will combine 3ds + wiiu users? Or are we supposed to pretend they never made such claims?

most people didnt say it would sell better than 3DS+Wii U because its the successor to both, the argument was that it made no sense to assume Wii U level sales since its also the successor to 3DS. There is a huge difference.



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