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ArchangelMadzz on 19 April 2017
VGPolyglot said:
ArchangelMadzz said:

It is. I fail to see how that would contradict my statement if that's what you're suggesting. 

I have no problem with my neighbour being a Muslim or any religion as long as they're following the law of the land they're in. (Which btw is in the Quran funnily enough)

I was mainly referring to the law part. In all parts of the world, the laws are different, so putting the 4 principles into the laws of each country would be troublesome and difficult.

I was mainly referring to secular countries where religion and belief is not part of law, as the law needs to change to reflect those standards in my first comment. I didn't clarify that at all in my comment so my bad aha 



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VGPolyglot on 19 April 2017
bdbdbd said:
VGPolyglot said:

I don't have all the answers. I think a misconception people have here is that I think that communism and anarchy are inevitable. I don't. If I had to predict, I'd say that it'll never happen. However, I try to promote it and support it for just the slightest chance that it could actually be achieved one day.

I actually think it the way that seems way more common: people promote something that they don't think will ever happen, so that you never need to take any responsibility whatsoever about what you say and do, and you don't need to give any solutions to problems there exists. You might go as well to say that we need pink unicorns to solve the world's problems. You just stand in the way of everything that would be used to make good. There are people who actually try to make the world a better place and remove poverty and hunger, but because their solutions do not include flying cows, people like you try to prevent it from happening and bitch about the people who try to help instead.

I know you're young and naive, but if you really want to change something some day, you need to come up with solutions instead of problems.

I do have solutions, i.e. socialism/communism/anarchism, but most people are afraid of such radical change.



Aeolus451 on 19 April 2017
VGPolyglot said:
palou said:

You do realize that that goes heavily against human nature? The desire to gain power will always exist.

Humans are naturally social, as we needed to coordinate for hunting and gathering purposes. So, it's natural to work together, we just need to eliminate the economic system that supports competition.

Huh? What? That's impossible because humans have a drive to compete with eachother and get ahead of others. That's a good thing in a system that allows anyone to take advantage of that. 

Also, why would you want to do that? It would destroy the drive in people to better themselves or to take any action that helps themselves.



VGPolyglot on 19 April 2017
Aeolus451 said:
VGPolyglot said:

Humans are naturally social, as we needed to coordinate for hunting and gathering purposes. So, it's natural to work together, we just need to eliminate the economic system that supports competition.

Huh? What? That's impossible because humans have a drive to compete with eachother and get ahead of others. That's a good thing in a system that allows anyone to take advantage of that. 

Also, why would you want to do that? It would destroy the drive in people to better themselves or to take any action that helps themselves.

Well, I was mainly speaking in terms of economic competition. There'd still be ways of competing, like in sports or video games and other things like that. However, in terms of people's livelihood, it should not be that way, because there'll always be people that lose out. There's also other things that drive people other than competition. Babies and little kids, for example, are obsessed with learning, and are heavily driven by the desire for knowledge.



Puppyroach on 19 April 2017

How can you forbid a thought or opinion? Or do you mean by "tolerated" something else?



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VGPolyglot on 19 April 2017
Puppyroach said:
How can you forbid a thought or opinion? Or do you mean by "tolerated" something else?

Well, if that person keeps the thought to himself, it's as if it doesn't exist, because obviously no one would no about it. However, as I said before, he'd rpobably by subconsciously affected by it.



Salnax on 19 April 2017

I feel that all people should be respected, and all beliefs should be tolerated (though not necessarily respected), but that there should be no special protection of actions based on beliefs. Yes, there are foul beliefs that benefit nobody, but the people holding these beliefs should be respected enough to contain them. People always deserve the right to have their own stupid ideas, especially when they have little to no impact on others.



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bdbdbd on 19 April 2017
VGPolyglot said:
bdbdbd said:

I actually think it the way that seems way more common: people promote something that they don't think will ever happen, so that you never need to take any responsibility whatsoever about what you say and do, and you don't need to give any solutions to problems there exists. You might go as well to say that we need pink unicorns to solve the world's problems. You just stand in the way of everything that would be used to make good. There are people who actually try to make the world a better place and remove poverty and hunger, but because their solutions do not include flying cows, people like you try to prevent it from happening and bitch about the people who try to help instead.

I know you're young and naive, but if you really want to change something some day, you need to come up with solutions instead of problems.

I do have solutions, i.e. socialism/communism/anarchism, but most people are afraid of such radical change.

So, socialism/communism/anarchism are out of the question then. It's like kids who rebel their parents because they believe parents don't let it happen what the kids are rebelling for. It's easy to go to a pro-anarchy demonstration when the system you're against is protecting you in the demonstration. 



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VGPolyglot on 19 April 2017
bdbdbd said:
VGPolyglot said:

I do have solutions, i.e. socialism/communism/anarchism, but most people are afraid of such radical change.

So, socialism/communism/anarchism are out of the question then. It's like kids who rebel their parents because they believe parents don't let it happen what the kids are rebelling for. It's easy to go to a pro-anarchy demonstration when the system you're against is protecting you in the demonstration. 

Well, they're not attacking pro-anarchy demonstrations because they don't see them as a threat. During the Great Depression, when socialist movements actually had large followings, the police tried to violently suppress them.



bdbdbd on 19 April 2017
VGPolyglot said:
Aeolus451 said:

Huh? What? That's impossible because humans have a drive to compete with eachother and get ahead of others. That's a good thing in a system that allows anyone to take advantage of that. 

Also, why would you want to do that? It would destroy the drive in people to better themselves or to take any action that helps themselves.

Well, I was mainly speaking in terms of economic competition. There'd still be ways of competing, like in sports or video games and other things like that. However, in terms of people's livelihood, it should not be that way, because there'll always be people that lose out. There's also other things that drive people other than competition. Babies and little kids, for example, are obsessed with learning, and are heavily driven by the desire for knowledge.

So, what is the system that promotes the economic competition? As far as I'm concerned, the economic system aims to increase (global) GNP, that in turn reduces poverty.



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