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Hiku said:
nanarchy said:

personally I find it far harder to believe that the FSB was trying to kill him and failed twice at such a soft target in the exact same way, most likely he has other issues. This just doesn't seem to be a realistic scenario, if they wanted him dead he would be dead..

Who said they wanted him dead? He was saved by the same hospital, and the very same medical team all three times, from the same poison. And the member of the Russian Investigative Committee who contacted his lawyer also made it clear that he was the same person who handled their case last time.
The fact that he can't get the police to investigate this, three times, no matter how clearcut the case may seem, is a far scarier message to people about what kind of power they are opposing, than if he had just died the first time. There are already many other examples of that.
That's why I chose this particular example, and not the any of the other 20 or so.

And if this is about him having other issues, I doubt he would willingly go so far to determine what caused this. He has been to rehab and done thorough testing in other clinics outside of Russia.

"In January of 2016 Kara-Murza received the results of the examination, which was conducted by French experts. In his analysis significantly exceeded the maximum allowable concentration of four heavy metals: manganese — 59.5% (in hair samples were detected 33,9 nanograms per milligram), copper — by 1.8 times (112 nanograms per milligram) zinc — 2.25% (473 nanograms per milligram), mercury — in 1,2 times (2,01 nanograms per milligram). In addition, his body was found 19 times less than the minimum permissible level of iron (or 0.68 nanograms per milligram)."

I find it far harder to believe that he is abusing substances that cause him to overdose on these heavy metals, and then go through all of this every time to find the cause.

yeah your right, much harder to believe that a known drug user would be pumping various unknown substances into their body!



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Goatseye said:
DaaaBeast said:

So what? Mass migration didnt start because of Assad. Mass migration did start because US destroyed Libia and Irak. And then they tried to destroy Syria by arming all kind of fanatics left and right, that is how ISIS appeared. There would be no war in the middle east and no refuges if not for NATO. 

So, mas migration is because of Libya and Iraq. Okay.

Just to let you know, moder Middle Eastern conflicts started since the break up of Ottoman Empire and the unification of Saudi Kingdom.

Why are you changing the topic? Yes conflicts started long time ago, if you look into the history of human kind yuo'll notice that conflicts simply never end. That is just the way people are, we are suicidal monkeys and killing each other is the most wide spread hobby.  But talking about mass migration, it started right after US destroyed Livia. Im talking tenth of thaudands refugees pouring into the Europe on monthly basis. Kadafi was saying thet Livia is the only thing between Europe and hords of savages from northen Africa and he was damn right. Now Livia is hell on earth with countless bands of radicals constantly fighting each other over power. And that is exactly what US wanted there. Now they try to do same thing to Syria. So saying  that refugees are Ruassian  game is simply stupid...



DaaaBeast said:
Goatseye said:

So, mas migration is because of Libya and Iraq. Okay.

Just to let you know, moder Middle Eastern conflicts started since the break up of Ottoman Empire and the unification of Saudi Kingdom.

Why are you changing the topic? Yes conflicts started long time ago, if you look into the history of human kind yuo'll notice that conflicts simply never end. That is just the way people are, we are suicidal monkeys and killing each other is the most wide spread hobby.  But talking about mass migration, it started right after US destroyed Livia. Im talking tenth of thaudands refugees pouring into the Europe on monthly basis. Kadafi was saying thet Livia is the only thing between Europe and hords of savages from northen Africa and he was damn right. Now Livia is hell on earth with countless bands of radicals constantly fighting each other over power. And that is exactly what US wanted there. Now they try to do same thing to Syria. So saying  that refugees are Ruassian  game is simply stupid...

We're talking Syria. Don't move goal posts. 

It wasn't until 2015 that thousands of Syrians fled the mass bombardments targeting civilians specifically.



Goatseye said:
DaaaBeast said:

Why are you changing the topic? Yes conflicts started long time ago, if you look into the history of human kind yuo'll notice that conflicts simply never end. That is just the way people are, we are suicidal monkeys and killing each other is the most wide spread hobby.  But talking about mass migration, it started right after US destroyed Livia. Im talking tenth of thaudands refugees pouring into the Europe on monthly basis. Kadafi was saying thet Livia is the only thing between Europe and hords of savages from northen Africa and he was damn right. Now Livia is hell on earth with countless bands of radicals constantly fighting each other over power. And that is exactly what US wanted there. Now they try to do same thing to Syria. So saying  that refugees are Ruassian  game is simply stupid...

We're talking Syria. Don't move goal posts. 

It wasn't until 2015 that thousands of Syrians fled the mass bombardments targeting civilians specifically.

I'll keep it short. 1st: yes people were fleeing from Syria long before 2015, mainly because religious fanatics aka ISIS where rapidly taking over the country and choping heads left and right. 2nd: you are a brain damaged moron if you believe that Russians targeted specifically civilians... why did ISIS shrank that much if all they cared about is killing civilians? something that US couldnt achieve in 3 years. Did you ever wonder how many civilians died in Mosul or Livia, maybe Irack or Kosovo? Shall I continue? Or do you get the point?



DaaaBeast said:
Goatseye said:

We're talking Syria. Don't move goal posts. 

It wasn't until 2015 that thousands of Syrians fled the mass bombardments targeting civilians specifically.

I'll keep it short. 1st: yes people were fleeing from Syria long before 2015, mainly because religious fanatics aka ISIS where rapidly taking over the country and choping heads left and right. 2nd: you are a brain damaged moron if you believe that Russians targeted specifically civilians... why did ISIS shrank that much if all they cared about is killing civilians? something that US couldnt achieve in 3 years. Did you ever wonder how many civilians died in Mosul or Livia, maybe Irack or Kosovo? Shall I continue? Or do you get the point?

I would be a brain damaged moron if Putin hadn't bombed his own people and ordered several hits on dissents and politically persecuted individuals.

Keep it classy though...



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Goatseye said:
LurkerJ said:

 

Absolutely false. Where do the called western-backed moderate rebels, aka ISIS, fit in this ridiculous scenario?

Rebels backed by the US are not ISIS. But go ahead and provide proof of aid to ISIS.

Rebels backed the US are terrorists. I don't care what current name they operate under.

I hate giving answers with youtube videos but I get invovled in multiple politcal threads and I lose interest in the discussion. Please investigate more into who the US are backing.

 



Watch the full video of the US backed rebels' "hiccup" on video leaks or something.

https://www.liveleak.com/view?i=087_1492408811

https://youtu.be/mzEsDAoUvOI&showsearch=0&rel=0&fs=1&autoplay=0&ap=%2526fmt%3D18" type="application/x-shockwave-flash">

The full story behind the US backed "moderate" rebels who beheaded a 10 year old child. 



LurkerJ said:
Goatseye said:

Rebels backed by the US are not ISIS. But go ahead and provide proof of aid to ISIS.

Rebels backed the US are terrorists. I don't care what current name they operate under.

I hate giving answers with youtube videos but I get invovled in multiple politcal threads and I lose interest in the discussion. Please investigate more into who the US are backing.

 

 

 

Watch the full video of the US backed rebels' "hiccup" on video leaks or something.

https://www.liveleak.com/view?i=087_1492408811


The full story behind the US backed "moderate" rebels who beheaded a 10 year old child. 

Sorry but I won't watch Jimmy Dore's persona. If you can write the info, I'll appreciate it.



Goatseye said:

Sorry but I won't watch Jimmy Dore's persona. If you can write the info, I'll appreciate it.

I don't blame you, I find him annoying as well, but it was the first video youtube presented to me.

Check this article:

http://theantimedia.org/cnn-us-backed-syrian-rebels-crimes/

If you don't find the graphic video online or don't feel like watching it, here's another youtube video explained what happened without showing the actual graphic footage. (Kyle isn't annoying)

... and this isn't the first time US-backed rebels commit such horrific crimes. After Noor Al-Din Zenki rebels beheaded a 10 year old, the US didn't stop funding them. In one of the of US state of department briefings, Mark Toner (jump to 32:35 in this video) was asked the following question about it:

"What does a rebel group in Syria have to do to not receive US funds any longer? What is the line they must cross? What kind of controversial incident must take place?"

The US didn't even bother to ask Noor Al-Din Zinki or Alnusra groups to dissociate themsevles from the rebels that appeared in the video that showed them taunting a scared 10 year-old boy before beheading him, the same savages have appeared in later photos and videos coming out from that same 'rebel' groups. Watching this video helps you understand what I am talking about, because it covers the same story I am referring to with visual evidence.

 

What's happening in Syria is not only Putin's fault, and let's not pretend that if Putin wasn't involved things would've been better for Syrians, was it better for Iraqis or Libyans?

There are too many parties involved there, non of them wants the best for the victims. It's such a shame that we spend more time taking sides than trying to help the people who lived these tragedies everyday. Our "free" media outlets take sides as well, apparently, just because the people in the evacuation buses were pro-As'ad, we don't hear about them the same way we hear about the "beautiful" babies that were killed by the chemical attack.

Also, If we blame the Syrian migrants crisis on Putin, then who do we blame for the migrants crisis in Libya and Iraq? The US intents behind these wars were never good, they don't care about the rebels they back as long as they serve the US interests. Have we forgetton the story behind Al-Qaeda?  

Hillary's own words: "let’s go recruit these Mujahedin! That’s great! Let’s get some to come from Saudi Arabia and other places, importing their Wahhabi brand of Islam, so that we can go beat the Soviet Union!” .... sounds too familiar to what we have now.

Does it matter if these groups are named ISIS or not? We practically support the country that export this kind of barberic mentality and arm these savages if we don't do it oursevles. I am not gonna defend Putin, but why are we singling him out? Our leaders have done worse.



LurkerJ said:
Goatseye said:

Sorry but I won't watch Jimmy Dore's persona. If you can write the info, I'll appreciate it.

I don't blame you, I find him annoying as well, but it was the first video youtube presented to me.

Check this article:

http://theantimedia.org/cnn-us-backed-syrian-rebels-crimes/

If you don't find the graphic video online or don't feel like watching it, here's another youtube video explained what happened. (Kyle isn't annoying)

... and this isn't the first time US-backed rebels commit such horrific crimes. After Noor Al-Din Zenki rebels beheaded a 10 year old, the US didn't stop funding them. In one of the of US state of department briefings, Mark Toner (jump to 32:35 in this video) was asked the following question about it:

"What does a rebel group in Syria have to do to not receive US funds any longer? What is the line they must cross? What kind of controversial incident must take place?"

The US didn't even bother to ask Noor Al-Din Zinki or Alnusra groups to dissociate themsevles from the rebels that appeared in the video that shows them taunting a scared 10 year-old boy before beheading them. Watching this helps. 

 

What's happening in Syria is not only Putin's fault, and let's not pretend that if Putin wasn't involved things would've been better for Syrians, was it better for Iraqis or Libyans?

There are too many parties involved there, non of them wants the best for the victims. It's such a shame that we spend more time taking sides than trying to help the people who lived these tragedies everyday. Our "free" media outlets take sides as well, apparently, just because the people in the evacuation buses were pro-As'ad, we don't hear about them the same way we hear about the "beautiful" babies that were killed by the chemical attack.

Also, If we blame the Syrian migrants crisis on Putin, then who do we blame for the migrants crisis in Libya and Iraq? The US intents behind these wars were never good, they don't care about the rebels they back as long as they serve the US interests. Have we forgetton the story behind Al-Qaeda?  

Hillary's own words: "let’s go recruit these Mujahedin! That’s great! Let’s get some to come from Saudi Arabia and other places, importing their Wahhabi brand of Islam, so that we can go beat the Soviet Union!” .... almost too familiar. 

 Does it matter if these groups are named ISIS or not? We practically support the country that export this kind of barberic mentality and arm these savages if we don't do it oursevles.

I don't think you'll quote me saying that I entirely blamed Russia for migrant crisis in Syria. 

Also, Libya and Iraq migrant crisis doesn't compare to Syria's in the slightest, that is your indication of especifically targeting populace to weaponize migration into Europe.

You are deflecting with all kinds of causal factors of US conflict in the ME. They're Arab but Syria doesn't have anything to do with Iraq or Al-Qaeda.

And please add a link to that H.Clinton interview.



Goatseye said:
LurkerJ said:

I don't blame you, I find him annoying as well, but it was the first video youtube presented to me.

Check this article:

http://theantimedia.org/cnn-us-backed-syrian-rebels-crimes/

If you don't find the graphic video online or don't feel like watching it, here's another youtube video explained what happened. (Kyle isn't annoying)

... and this isn't the first time US-backed rebels commit such horrific crimes. After Noor Al-Din Zenki rebels beheaded a 10 year old, the US didn't stop funding them. In one of the of US state of department briefings, Mark Toner (jump to 32:35 in this video) was asked the following question about it:

"What does a rebel group in Syria have to do to not receive US funds any longer? What is the line they must cross? What kind of controversial incident must take place?"

The US didn't even bother to ask Noor Al-Din Zinki or Alnusra groups to dissociate themsevles from the rebels that appeared in the video that shows them taunting a scared 10 year-old boy before beheading them. Watching this helps. 

 

What's happening in Syria is not only Putin's fault, and let's not pretend that if Putin wasn't involved things would've been better for Syrians, was it better for Iraqis or Libyans?

There are too many parties involved there, non of them wants the best for the victims. It's such a shame that we spend more time taking sides than trying to help the people who lived these tragedies everyday. Our "free" media outlets take sides as well, apparently, just because the people in the evacuation buses were pro-As'ad, we don't hear about them the same way we hear about the "beautiful" babies that were killed by the chemical attack.

Also, If we blame the Syrian migrants crisis on Putin, then who do we blame for the migrants crisis in Libya and Iraq? The US intents behind these wars were never good, they don't care about the rebels they back as long as they serve the US interests. Have we forgetton the story behind Al-Qaeda?  

Hillary's own words: "let’s go recruit these Mujahedin! That’s great! Let’s get some to come from Saudi Arabia and other places, importing their Wahhabi brand of Islam, so that we can go beat the Soviet Union!” .... almost too familiar. 

 Does it matter if these groups are named ISIS or not? We practically support the country that export this kind of barberic mentality and arm these savages if we don't do it oursevles.

I don't think you'll quote me saying that I entirely blamed Russia for migrant crisis in Syria. 

Also, Libya and Iraq migrant crisis doesn't compare to Syria's in the slightest, that is your indication of especifically targeting populace to weaponize migration into Europe.

You are deflecting with all kinds of causal factors of US conflict in the ME. They're Arab but Syria doesn't have anything to do with Iraq or Al-Qaeda.

And please add a link to that H.Clinton interview.

Why am I deflecting? What are we discussing anyway?

CaptainExplosion is doing his best to paint Putin in the worst light possible, as if the rest of our leaders are better. The migrants weren't allowed into Europe by Putin, the migrants are still coming and Merkel continues to welcome them. Trump wasn't elected because Putin allowed 12 millions Mexicans to stay in America ILLEGALLY for over a decade. People in the US and in Europe are naturally frustrated, any clever local politician would seize the opportunity without any outside help. You quoted me to say I was wrong and that the US didn't back ISIS. I stood corrected, but the main point remains, the US is backing terrorists in Syria, it doesn't matter if they label themsevles with ISIS or not. Mark Toner doesn't even have an answer to why the US continued to fund rebels and groups that beheaded a 10 year old.

I linked the video you are asking for in my original post.

"Have we forgetton the story behind Al-Qaeda?  

Hillary's own words: "let’s go recruit these Mujahedin! That’s great! Let’s get some to come from Saudi Arabia and other places, importing their Wahhabi brand of Islam, so that we can go beat the Soviet Union!” 

Click on Al-Qaeda to view it.