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Switch lifetime figures?

12-15 million 72 7.05%
 
15-20 million 58 5.68%
 
20-25 million 78 7.64%
 
25-30 million 119 11.66%
 
Way more than the above 694 67.97%
 
Total:1,021
Rem87919394 on 05 May 2017

It doesn't help. Especially when Star Wars comes out



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Otter on 05 May 2017

Well this was to be expected once the system had its official reveal.

The Switch's success is not dependant on huge third party games which already exist on PS4/X1. Sure, it would "help" but it would also help if the PS4 had GTA as an exclusive or had Mario Kart and Pokemon on the platform.... yet none of these things are necessary for it to be a huge success as we're seeing.

If Red Dead Redemption 2 was on Switch, 90% of the games audience would completely ignore the downgraded Switch version. I don't know why people continue to force certain points without contextualising them to what the Switch is (a handheld/console hybrid) and how Nintendo can expect to find an audience.

For now I think they're targeting young adults who are either gaming nerds (already own PS4 or X1) or fringe gamers (aren't yet interested in PS4/X1) and Kids. A consistent output of Nintendo best and biggest IPs this year is their main requirement. Past that and past 1st party support I think Japanese devs moving on from the 3DS, EA being consistent with sport titles and Ubi taking the lead with unique/original western content are the main concerns for them appealing to their target audiences. Having mega brands like StarWars/GTA/COD present on the platform in some form is ideal, general multiplatform support is just the cherry on the top.



Natsu on 05 May 2017
Kai_Mao said:
Natsu said:

Well I love all 3 and have respect for all 3 and I have all 3 (until the switch came out :P don't have the money for that rn) but none of them are without flaw. MS does stupid stuff Nintendo does stupid stuff and so does Sony. I was just saying with 3rd party it's more likely to sell more. I wasn't hating at all or saying they should confrom to my idelogies lol.

And for the bolded part.. Where did I even say they don't want my money or that they're making bad decisions? and where did I say it's not gonnna sell even half of what the others do? I said I think it'll sell decent (better than wii u) but not anything outstanding like wii. Is there a problem with thinking that? It doesn't even have all to do with 3rd party just the way the market has changed and stuff. but i'm not much for fighting so whatever idc

Like how some are in a wait-and-see approach after seeing the initial sales records of the Switch so far, we should also have a wait-and-see approach with the 3rd party support since it's been only 2 months since the Switch came out. Most of the 3rd party games that have been mentioned here are already years into development and we have no clue exactly when the devs got the dev kits or what not to get an idea whether or not they'll be able to port to the Switch. The exception is DQXI from what I know.

Yeah agreed, I hope the switch gets them cause I want to see it be succesful. Plus when I'm able to get one there are games I'd buy it over the xbone or ps4 versions just for the handheld aspect. 



Alby_da_Wolf on 05 May 2017

Third parties will react conservatively this time, after Wii U flop, but NS probably surprised even Ninty with not just excellent, but higher than expected launch window sales, and it will become a big platform mainly for first and second party games, as a late reaction with titles not ready at all means that currently missing big third party franchises will arrive, if they even do at all, a lot later than those that willl become the dominant ones, and we are now seeing that the dominant NS game is an iconic quintessence of Ninty style, that with its incredible attach rate will heavily contribute to shape the whole platform style as it will be perceived and expected by users.
Les jeux sont faits, and they already were since the beginning, due to Wii U more than to Ninty previous strategies, NS, successful or not, was destined to become a mainly first party platform.



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oniyide on 05 May 2017
SpokenTruth said:
Aeolus451 said:
I think the switch will flop (under 40 mil) if Nintendo hasn't learned from the Wii U and doesn't have many 3rd party games. I know that some expect it to sell handheld or handheld + home console numbers but that's unrealistic with it being a unproven concept for a console. No one really knows what is gonna happen. If nintendo does things right, it will probably sell 80 to 110 mil. In my opinion, Nintendo is already making some mistakes with it, though.

Wii U had 3rd party (at launch) and that didn't seem to help anything at all.  I'm not saying they won't help, but they in no way ensure a flop either.

Nintendo is not Sony or MS.  We really need to start understanding that.   The market and audience of Switch and PS4/XOne do not have to be mutually inclusive. 

They dont WANT to understand, their are still people here who believe that Ninty should be more like Sony and MS and compete with them despite the literal years where they have tried that and failed miserably.



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oniyide on 05 May 2017
TheBlackNaruto said:
SpokenTruth said:

Because the impression made by many posts in this thread suggest it.

Many state that Nintendo must have a 3rd parties to be succesful therefore the success of Wii was attributable in part by 3rd party support meaning many here would not have purchased a Wii without it.  But it also stems from the GC had 3rd party support and yet did not succeed and the lack of "raised hands" suggests that if they bought a GC it was not because of 3rd party support.  And finally, the Wii U launched with pretty solid 3rd party support and yet sold horribly...a condition similiar to GC.

Thus either people buy a Nintendo console for 3rd party titles which boosts sales success or they don't and the success or failure of a Nintendo console should reflect that....and they don't. 

The point being that the arugment laid out by many in this thread is wholly invalid.  And they played their hands to prove it.

Well to be fair you could ask that question almost of ANY console and get a pretty similar response. No one really buys a specific console just for 3rd party games....they look at the games exclusive to that system in conjunction with the 3rd party games imo. And since the days of the N64 when Nintendo put their foots in their mouths all Nintendo systems have been odd/almost non existent when it came to 3rd party support.

I think the success of the Wii had more to do with the motion controls being new and fresh. 3rd party games really didn't have anything to do with it. I think without that new fresh feel it brought the Wii would have been in the same current boat that the Wii U is in. Which bothers me because Nintendo has great games that are 1st party arguably the best in the business. And those are the games that sell Nintendo systems to Nintendo gamers but not to many others.....the issue here being though that in the home console market since the days of the N64 outside of the Wii they have really not been sucessful at all. The question then becomes why.....they have such amazing 1st party games so why are they not doing better? And I think that is why many here bring up the 3rd party games because it seems to be the thing that stands out the most.

I mean if in order for them to be successful requires them to come up with the next seemingly new idea or gimmick(as some feel the motion controls with the Wii were even though I personally enjoyed them) then something is wrong. Again I am at a wait and see stand point when it comes to the Switch because I have high hopes for it. But I want to see how it sells when the smoke clears. because it is currently in the same boat as the Wii with having something seemingly fresh. So will that impact the sales as it did the Wii? And how will that pan out with 3rd party games and 3rd party game sells? There are still a lot of questions for me right now and I can see the reasonings from both sides regarding 3rd party games on the Switch.

maybe the reality is the 1st party isnt as good to alot of people as people here seem to think. At least not enough that people are willing to spend more than 300 for a system just to play them. Its been pretty evident since N64 when that system damn near had to rely on just 3rd party. 



GoOnKid on 05 May 2017
DialgaMarine said:
The lack of these games certainly isn't going to help the system, that's for sure. If Sony launches God of War in September like recent rumors are suggesting, Switch is going to get outsold pretty bad this holiday if Nintendo's only answer to all these games is Mario Odyssey. No doubt that game will be good, and put out some numbers, but it won't give any sort of lead. I don't believe Switch will even outsell XB1 this holiday.

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TheBlackNaruto on 05 May 2017
oniyide said:
TheBlackNaruto said:

Well to be fair you could ask that question almost of ANY console and get a pretty similar response. No one really buys a specific console just for 3rd party games....they look at the games exclusive to that system in conjunction with the 3rd party games imo. And since the days of the N64 when Nintendo put their foots in their mouths all Nintendo systems have been odd/almost non existent when it came to 3rd party support.

I think the success of the Wii had more to do with the motion controls being new and fresh. 3rd party games really didn't have anything to do with it. I think without that new fresh feel it brought the Wii would have been in the same current boat that the Wii U is in. Which bothers me because Nintendo has great games that are 1st party arguably the best in the business. And those are the games that sell Nintendo systems to Nintendo gamers but not to many others.....the issue here being though that in the home console market since the days of the N64 outside of the Wii they have really not been sucessful at all. The question then becomes why.....they have such amazing 1st party games so why are they not doing better? And I think that is why many here bring up the 3rd party games because it seems to be the thing that stands out the most.

I mean if in order for them to be successful requires them to come up with the next seemingly new idea or gimmick(as some feel the motion controls with the Wii were even though I personally enjoyed them) then something is wrong. Again I am at a wait and see stand point when it comes to the Switch because I have high hopes for it. But I want to see how it sells when the smoke clears. because it is currently in the same boat as the Wii with having something seemingly fresh. So will that impact the sales as it did the Wii? And how will that pan out with 3rd party games and 3rd party game sells? There are still a lot of questions for me right now and I can see the reasonings from both sides regarding 3rd party games on the Switch.

maybe the reality is the 1st party isnt as good to alot of people as people here seem to think. At least not enough that people are willing to spend more than 300 for a system just to play them. Its been pretty evident since N64 when that system damn near had to rely on just 3rd party. 

At bolded huh? The N64 was the system that caused the disappearance/lack of 3rd party games on Nintendo systems due to the arrogance of nintendo with thier attitdue towards 3rd party games. So I can't say that the N64 had to rely mostly on just 3rd party games.

As for the rest of your post.....maybe that is true who knows . But NO ONE can deny the sheer quality and polish of their 1st party games. They put a lot of work into them. And it shows so for me their first party lineup is pretty great.



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Azuren on 05 May 2017
Goodnightmoon said:
Azuren said:

... Is being outsold more than 2:1 by PS4 (which also lacks those first party IP) and only maintains a lead because of a headstart. 

Are you suggesting Ps4 is gonna sell more than 140m?

Because LOL if you do

"Being outsold" is present-tense, referring to weekly sales. But you know, I suppose it's easier to change the subject to revolve around a misunderstanding than it is to address the fact that a console without those IP is regularly outselling a console with those IP at a rate of more than 2:1.



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oniyide on 05 May 2017
TheBlackNaruto said:
oniyide said:

maybe the reality is the 1st party isnt as good to alot of people as people here seem to think. At least not enough that people are willing to spend more than 300 for a system just to play them. Its been pretty evident since N64 when that system damn near had to rely on just 3rd party. 

At bolded huh? The N64 was the system that caused the disappearance/lack of 3rd party games on Nintendo systems due to the arrogance of nintendo with thier attitdue towards 3rd party games. So I can't say that the N64 had to rely mostly on just 3rd party games.

As for the rest of your post.....maybe that is true who knows . But NO ONE can deny the sheer quality and polish of their 1st party games. They put a lot of work into them. And it shows so for me their first party lineup is pretty great.

Damn it I meant first party my bad.

I'm not gonna deny it anyway (im sure some will) but if people arent willing to pluck down the coin in large numbers to even play the damn things does it matter? Almost a tree falling in the woods scenario. Also people here seem to forget we are the old heads now. THere are alot of people who grew up on PS1 and 2 that is THEIR Nintendo, just like older people had Atari and we didnt give a damn about those. (might be time to accept it)