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Qwark said:
Turkish said:

It just shows how biased you are that you rather support a man who murdered Dutch citizens. Why? Because Erdogan is a non-European, a Muslim? I can't imagine your reaction if Erdogan shot down that plane. It's mentality like yours and the way your country behaved last month that both sides in Turkey agree with each other.

"I would rather see Turkey go to shit (something which they guaranteed today) than ever having political influence in Europe"

Just wow, Turkey has been in European politics for centuries.

His comment has a xenophobic undertone "stop infesting Europe", and I gave him the reply he deserves.

Oh and I meant every word of it. I think Turkey in its current form us a disgrace for the entire continent. A bunch of heated political swines which always try to bring up bad things countries once did like the Holocaust and Sebrenica. Calling European countries that dint dance to theur will Nazi's while completely Ignoring no even denying anything bad Turkey ever did Armenian Genocide for instance. It's always fun that Turkey acts like a victim well guess what when you call people Nazi's and tell them that not a single European street will be safe and Turks should make more babies to gain influence in Europe. I am not a big fan, Putin is a dictator and also a piece of shit, but at least one which can be reasonable.

 

The day Europe decided to make a deal with that corrupted infested now proclaimed dictature that Turkey is was a black day in European history. As for the Muslim part I like Aboutaleb a non muslim major of Rotterdam. I dislike the shit face Erdogan.

We know how you Dutch function, and nearly all of Turkey is against you, not just Erdogan fans.

You harbor PKK terrorists, your newspaper call them rebels while they destroy infrastructure in Turkey and kill our citzens, you supply and support dictators all over the world as long as they buy from you, you are two faced when dealing with non Europeans.

You are just afraid of and hate brown people, you yourself would rather prefer a murderer as long as he's white and "from da continent" than having a brown non European have any say in Europe. It's good that Muslims become a bigger population in Europe everyday, I hope Turks continue making more babies in Holland and the refugee deal is called off so we can unleash millions of syrians on you. You can keep your money and care for them yourself.

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Barozi said:
michael_stutzer said:

Tourism is not a huge factor for the economy and it is already in huge decline for the last few years anyways. This won't change much for the people but Erdogan will keep his position for the rest of his life. Actually, the more suffering there is, more votes go to Erdogan so the economy getting worse works for him.

13.7% of GDP in 2015 is "not a huge factor"?
Already declined to 12.5% in 2016 and probably even more this year.

When you factor in the unemployment due to the decline in visitors etc., it is a big factor indeed, that was a shortsighted comment. You are correct, sorry about that.

But I rather meant that when all the economy is  in the shitter, decline in tourism is one of the last things to worry about. It would be bounced back in a year when the country is cleansed of its problems. At it is right now, the country produces nothing really worthwhile and importing is at an all time high. This is not sustainable and actually the main problem.



Turkish said:
Qwark said:

Not if I have anything to say about it. I would rather see Turkey go to shit (something which they guaranteed today) than ever having political influence in Europe. Hell I prefer Putin over Erdogan and I am Dutch and he shot MH17 down.

It just shows how biased you are that you rather support a man who murdered Dutch citizens. Why? Because Erdogan is a non-European, a Muslim? I can't imagine your reaction if Erdogan shot down that plane. It's mentality like yours and the way your country behaved last month that both sides in Turkey agree with each other.

"I would rather see Turkey go to shit (something which they guaranteed today) than ever having political influence in Europe"

Just wow, Turkey has been in European politics for centuries.

nemo37 said:

I do not like to get involved in political discussions all that much. However, is that not like a really bad thing to say. You are basically burning bridges with every German person here. Not to mention it is nationalistic sentiments, like yours, of various countries subordinating one another that typically leads to wars and instability (just look at pre-WWI, WWI, and WWII wars to get a sense of the damage these sentiments bring).

 

P.S. I am sorry for what happened in Trukey. I was born in Iran (though as you can probably tell from my profile, I am a Canadian Citizen now), and I know what a bad political event can do to a country (in Iran it was the events of 38 years ago that turned that nation on its head, not that I saw the transformation that country went through with my own eyes as I was not born yet but I heard and read about how bad the aftermath was). Sadly, it seems like the citizens of many nations are making bad decisions that hurt their future prospects not to mention their democracies. Hopefully, after people eventually become tired of Erdogen (it tends to happen with most authoratarian-style leaders, where eventually their supporters realize they were lied to by a power-hungry person) or his successor they will work to bring back the parliamentary system. 

His comment has a xenophobic undertone "stop infesting Europe", and I gave him the reply he deserves.

Please do refrain, nonetheless, from using those terms to describe the situation - it's okay to call out someone for xenophobia, but talks of colonization, invasion, etc... just adds to the negative sentiment, and makes more than the person you replied to uncomfrotable.

 

You will find that far more europeans sympathize with the turks than feeling any schadenfreude.



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barneystinson69 said:
Qwark said:

Well they are burning every bridge with Europe. So they are becoming gradually more Arab. Turkey was once a very modern country. Now it is a corrupt dessert and a dictature so it's becoming pretty much an Arab country rapidly. Perhaps they will rebuild the Ottoman empire.

Ummm... Arab countries are those that speak mainly arabic. So Turkey, Iran, Azerbaijan, Georgia and Armenia are all non-arab countries even though they are middle eastern. So why would Turkey become more Arab if they speak their own language?

I find that interesting as well. I was born in Iran and when I first arrived in Canada, I did notice a good deal of people refer to me as Arab when I described my origin (as opposed to Persian). My guess is that the generalization is made because the major religion that is practiced in Iran (although even then it is a different variation of the one practiced in other Arab countries) and the geographic location, otherwise the cultures are quite difference. In fact, I have had co-workers from Lebanon, Egypt and Iraq, and they speak Arabic (hence they could be described as Arabic), but I was surprised by the degree of difference in their cultures as well. But then again, I cannot fault people for the misconception, I had friends in high school that traveled Asia and Europe and many people believed they were from the US despite all of them being Canadian.



Turkish said:
Qwark said:

Oh and I meant every word of it. I think Turkey in its current form us a disgrace for the entire continent. A bunch of heated political swines which always try to bring up bad things countries once did like the Holocaust and Sebrenica. Calling European countries that dint dance to theur will Nazi's while completely Ignoring no even denying anything bad Turkey ever did Armenian Genocide for instance. It's always fun that Turkey acts like a victim well guess what when you call people Nazi's and tell them that not a single European street will be safe and Turks should make more babies to gain influence in Europe. I am not a big fan, Putin is a dictator and also a piece of shit, but at least one which can be reasonable.

 

The day Europe decided to make a deal with that corrupted infested now proclaimed dictature that Turkey is was a black day in European history. As for the Muslim part I like Aboutaleb a non muslim major of Rotterdam. I dislike the shit face Erdogan.

We know how you Dutch function, and nearly all of Turkey is against you, not just Erdogan fans.

You harbor PKK terrorists, your newspaper call them rebels while they destroy infrastructure in Turkey and kill our citzens, you supply and support dictators all over the world as long as they buy from you, you are two faced when dealing with non Europeans.

You are just afraid of and hate brown people, you yourself would rather prefer a murderer as long as he's white and "from da continent" than having a brown non European have any say in Europe. It's good that Muslims become a bigger population in Europe everyday, I hope Turks continue making more babies in Holland and the refugee deal is called off so we can unleash millions of syrians on you. You can keep your money and care for them yourself.

Look, I understand you are mad, but calling for the takeover of other countries is not going to help. Saying a country harbors terrorists, wanting to see millions of syrians come into Europe isn't helping your prospects here.



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palou said:
Turkish said:

It just shows how biased you are that you rather support a man who murdered Dutch citizens. Why? Because Erdogan is a non-European, a Muslim? I can't imagine your reaction if Erdogan shot down that plane. It's mentality like yours and the way your country behaved last month that both sides in Turkey agree with each other.

"I would rather see Turkey go to shit (something which they guaranteed today) than ever having political influence in Europe"

Just wow, Turkey has been in European politics for centuries.

His comment has a xenophobic undertone "stop infesting Europe", and I gave him the reply he deserves.

Please do refrain, nonetheless, from using those terms to describe the situation - it's okay to call out someone for xenophobia, but talks of colonization, invasion, etc... just adds to the negative sentiment, and makes more than the person you replied to uncomfrotable.

 

You will find that far more europeans sympathize with the turks than feeling any schadenfreude.

Refrain from what? I've been on this site for 6 years, I've made it very clear I'm from Western Europe, he knows very well where I am. His comment is nothing but racist and xenophobic, something you can expect from German and Dutch people, there is a lot of subtle racism here. Nuances we Turks pick up, we're not dumb.



Turkish said:
Qwark said:

Oh and I meant every word of it. I think Turkey in its current form us a disgrace for the entire continent. A bunch of heated political swines which always try to bring up bad things countries once did like the Holocaust and Sebrenica. Calling European countries that dint dance to theur will Nazi's while completely Ignoring no even denying anything bad Turkey ever did Armenian Genocide for instance. It's always fun that Turkey acts like a victim well guess what when you call people Nazi's and tell them that not a single European street will be safe and Turks should make more babies to gain influence in Europe. I am not a big fan, Putin is a dictator and also a piece of shit, but at least one which can be reasonable.

 

The day Europe decided to make a deal with that corrupted infested now proclaimed dictature that Turkey is was a black day in European history. As for the Muslim part I like Aboutaleb a non muslim major of Rotterdam. I dislike the shit face Erdogan.

We know how you Dutch function, and nearly all of Turkey is against you, not just Erdogan fans.

You harbor PKK terrorists, your newspaper call them rebels while they destroy infrastructure in Turkey and kill our citzens, you supply and support dictators all over the world as long as they buy from you, you are two faced when dealing with non Europeans.

You are just afraid of and hate brown people, you yourself would rather prefer a murderer as long as he's white and "from da continent" than having a brown non European have any say in Europe. It's good that Muslims become a bigger population in Europe everyday, I hope Turks continue making more babies in Holland and the refugee deal is called off so we can unleash millions of syrians on you. You can keep your money and care for them yourself.

Please stop generalizing! It doesn't make this better. Stupid people exist everywhere.

 

In Germany, for the very least, while it is a topic of debate, a majority of the people and all major political parties are in support of helping and housing the refugees. 

 

Comments like these only give fuel for the fears of nationalists. That's never a good thing. So please stop!



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Turkish said:
palou said:

Please do refrain, nonetheless, from using those terms to describe the situation - it's okay to call out someone for xenophobia, but talks of colonization, invasion, etc... just adds to the negative sentiment, and makes more than the person you replied to uncomfrotable.

 

You will find that far more europeans sympathize with the turks than feeling any schadenfreude.

Refrain from what?

something you can expect from German and Dutch people

Refrain from that. Yes, there are dutch and german racists - Quark seems to be among them, never said the contrary. No, they do not represent a majority and accusing everyone does not help the debate. I'm fine with Turks/Syrians/etc... entering the country, so is pretty much everyone I know. I do know that people that think differently exist. But in general statements like that, you are also insulting me, without any cause, and you cannot expect me to be fine with that.

 

Generalizations are always bad, regardless of who uses them.



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Turkish said:
Qwark said:

Oh and I meant every word of it. I think Turkey in its current form us a disgrace for the entire continent. A bunch of heated political swines which always try to bring up bad things countries once did like the Holocaust and Sebrenica. Calling European countries that dint dance to theur will Nazi's while completely Ignoring no even denying anything bad Turkey ever did Armenian Genocide for instance. It's always fun that Turkey acts like a victim well guess what when you call people Nazi's and tell them that not a single European street will be safe and Turks should make more babies to gain influence in Europe. I am not a big fan, Putin is a dictator and also a piece of shit, but at least one which can be reasonable.

 

The day Europe decided to make a deal with that corrupted infested now proclaimed dictature that Turkey is was a black day in European history. As for the Muslim part I like Aboutaleb a non muslim major of Rotterdam. I dislike the shit face Erdogan.

We know how you Dutch function, and nearly all of Turkey is against you, not just Erdogan fans.

You harbor PKK terrorists, your newspaper call them rebels while they destroy infrastructure in Turkey and kill our citzens, you supply and support dictators all over the world as long as they buy from you, you are two faced when dealing with non Europeans.

You are just afraid of and hate brown people, you yourself would rather prefer a murderer as long as he's white and "from da continent" than having a brown non European have any say in Europe. It's good that Muslims become a bigger population in Europe everyday, I hope Turks continue making more babies in Holland and the refugee deal is called off so we can unleash millions of syrians on you. You can keep your money and care for them yourself.

Just explain one thing to me if the Netherlands is such a terrible place. Why isn't every Turk leaving. Unlike that corrupt shit hole we actually don't keep people against their will. We very much like brown people as long as they like Mr Aboutaleb adapt and respect the Dutch values. Something which clearly didn't work out with A PART the Dutch Turks all that well. 

 

I hope Turkey does send Syrians to Europe since they are now living in the equivalent of hell. The EU can manage a few more million Syrians. We would be happy to trade them with that part of Dutch Turks. Everybody wins because Holland is the equivalent of hell for Turks. Erdogan is in my eyes a murderer, didn't he want the death penalty back anyway.

I am perfectly fine by NL cutting all ties with Turkey and now that everyone wants it. Let's get on with it, Turkey can keep their 6 billion send another few million Syrians trough. Most of them are pretty well educated anyway. Perhaps in 2030 when Erdogan isn't Turkey is leader anymore perhaps we should renegotiate with Turkey.

We are Dutch we trade stuff and that's where it ends for us. Historically spealing we dont care what we trade or with whom. The Nertherlands also don't want to influence every country on the planet like the US, Turkey, Russia and other countries want. Considering Turkey made its long therm goals very clear, gain control over parts of Europe. It is in my eyes no longer a viable relationship between NL and Turkey is to be had. Funny enough Germany and NL where very invested in Turkey. But Turkey doesn't want our money anyways. So to Turkey I would say good luck finding new friends perhaps Putin is intrested.

 

I only pitty the Turks entrepreneurs that once had a wealthy and nice going tourist economy. But since more than 50% of the Tourists came from Europe even excluding Russia in its prime day I guess those will sadly suffer badly.



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Qwark said:
Turkish said:

We know how you Dutch function, and nearly all of Turkey is against you, not just Erdogan fans.

You harbor PKK terrorists, your newspaper call them rebels while they destroy infrastructure in Turkey and kill our citzens, you supply and support dictators all over the world as long as they buy from you, you are two faced when dealing with non Europeans.

You are just afraid of and hate brown people, you yourself would rather prefer a murderer as long as he's white and "from da continent" than having a brown non European have any say in Europe. It's good that Muslims become a bigger population in Europe everyday, I hope Turks continue making more babies in Holland and the refugee deal is called off so we can unleash millions of syrians on you. You can keep your money and care for them yourself.

Just explain one thing to me if the Netherlands is such a terrible place. Why isn't every Turk leaving. Unlike that corrupt shit hole we actually don't keep people against their will. We very much like brown people as long as they like Mr Aboutaleb adapt and respect the Dutch values. Something which clearly didn't work out with the Turks all that well. 

 

I hope Turkey does send Syrians to Europe since they are now living in the equivalent of hell. The EU can manage a few more million Syrians. We would be happy to trade them with Turks. Everybody wins because Holland is the ewuivalent of jell for Turks. Erdogan is in my eyes a murderer, didn't he want the death penalty back anyway.

 

I am perfectly fine by NL cutting all ties with Turkey and now that everyone wants it. Let's get on with it, Turkey can keep their 6 billion send another few million Syrians trough. Most of them are pretty well educated anyway. Perhaps in 2030 when Erdogan isn't Turkey is leader anymore perhaps we should renegotiate with Turkey.

 

We are Dutch we trade stuff and that's where it ends for us. Historically spealing we dont care what we trade or with whom. The Nertherlands also don't want to influence every country on the planet like the US, Turkey, Russia and other countries want. Considering Turkey made its long therm goals very clear, gain control over parts of Europe. It is in my eyes no longer a viable relationship between NL and Turkey is to be had. Funny enough Germany and NL where very invested in Turkey. But Tutkey doesn't want our money anyways. So to Turkey I would say good luck finding new friends perhaps Putin is intrested. I only putty the Turks entrepreneurs that once had a wealthy and nice going tourist economy. But since more than 50% of the Tourists came from Europe even excluding Russia in its prime day I guess those will sadly suffer badly.

Can you please just stop being dicks to each other?



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