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Turkish said:
Qwark said:

Oh and I meant every word of it. I think Turkey in its current form us a disgrace for the entire continent. A bunch of heated political swines which always try to bring up bad things countries once did like the Holocaust and Sebrenica. Calling European countries that dint dance to theur will Nazi's while completely Ignoring no even denying anything bad Turkey ever did Armenian Genocide for instance. It's always fun that Turkey acts like a victim well guess what when you call people Nazi's and tell them that not a single European street will be safe and Turks should make more babies to gain influence in Europe. I am not a big fan, Putin is a dictator and also a piece of shit, but at least one which can be reasonable.

 

The day Europe decided to make a deal with that corrupted infested now proclaimed dictature that Turkey is was a black day in European history. As for the Muslim part I like Aboutaleb a non muslim major of Rotterdam. I dislike the shit face Erdogan.

We know how you Dutch function, and nearly all of Turkey is against you, not just Erdogan fans.

You harbor PKK terrorists, your newspaper call them rebels while they destroy infrastructure in Turkey and kill our citzens, you supply and support dictators all over the world as long as they buy from you, you are two faced when dealing with non Europeans.

You are just afraid of and hate brown people, you yourself would rather prefer a murderer as long as he's white and "from da continent" than having a brown non European have any say in Europe. It's good that Muslims become a bigger population in Europe everyday, I hope Turks continue making more babies in Holland and the refugee deal is called off so we can unleash millions of syrians on you. You can keep your money and care for them yourself.

Please stop generalizing! It doesn't make this better. Stupid people exist everywhere.

 

In Germany, for the very least, while it is a topic of debate, a majority of the people and all major political parties are in support of helping and housing the refugees. 

 

Comments like these only give fuel for the fears of nationalists. That's never a good thing. So please stop!



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Turkish said:
palou said:

Please do refrain, nonetheless, from using those terms to describe the situation - it's okay to call out someone for xenophobia, but talks of colonization, invasion, etc... just adds to the negative sentiment, and makes more than the person you replied to uncomfrotable.

 

You will find that far more europeans sympathize with the turks than feeling any schadenfreude.

Refrain from what?

something you can expect from German and Dutch people

Refrain from that. Yes, there are dutch and german racists - Quark seems to be among them, never said the contrary. No, they do not represent a majority and accusing everyone does not help the debate. I'm fine with Turks/Syrians/etc... entering the country, so is pretty much everyone I know. I do know that people that think differently exist. But in general statements like that, you are also insulting me, without any cause, and you cannot expect me to be fine with that.

 

Generalizations are always bad, regardless of who uses them.



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Turkish said:
Qwark said:

Oh and I meant every word of it. I think Turkey in its current form us a disgrace for the entire continent. A bunch of heated political swines which always try to bring up bad things countries once did like the Holocaust and Sebrenica. Calling European countries that dint dance to theur will Nazi's while completely Ignoring no even denying anything bad Turkey ever did Armenian Genocide for instance. It's always fun that Turkey acts like a victim well guess what when you call people Nazi's and tell them that not a single European street will be safe and Turks should make more babies to gain influence in Europe. I am not a big fan, Putin is a dictator and also a piece of shit, but at least one which can be reasonable.

 

The day Europe decided to make a deal with that corrupted infested now proclaimed dictature that Turkey is was a black day in European history. As for the Muslim part I like Aboutaleb a non muslim major of Rotterdam. I dislike the shit face Erdogan.

We know how you Dutch function, and nearly all of Turkey is against you, not just Erdogan fans.

You harbor PKK terrorists, your newspaper call them rebels while they destroy infrastructure in Turkey and kill our citzens, you supply and support dictators all over the world as long as they buy from you, you are two faced when dealing with non Europeans.

You are just afraid of and hate brown people, you yourself would rather prefer a murderer as long as he's white and "from da continent" than having a brown non European have any say in Europe. It's good that Muslims become a bigger population in Europe everyday, I hope Turks continue making more babies in Holland and the refugee deal is called off so we can unleash millions of syrians on you. You can keep your money and care for them yourself.

Just explain one thing to me if the Netherlands is such a terrible place. Why isn't every Turk leaving. Unlike that corrupt shit hole we actually don't keep people against their will. We very much like brown people as long as they like Mr Aboutaleb adapt and respect the Dutch values. Something which clearly didn't work out with A PART the Dutch Turks all that well. 

 

I hope Turkey does send Syrians to Europe since they are now living in the equivalent of hell. The EU can manage a few more million Syrians. We would be happy to trade them with that part of Dutch Turks. Everybody wins because Holland is the equivalent of hell for Turks. Erdogan is in my eyes a murderer, didn't he want the death penalty back anyway.

I am perfectly fine by NL cutting all ties with Turkey and now that everyone wants it. Let's get on with it, Turkey can keep their 6 billion send another few million Syrians trough. Most of them are pretty well educated anyway. Perhaps in 2030 when Erdogan isn't Turkey is leader anymore perhaps we should renegotiate with Turkey.

We are Dutch we trade stuff and that's where it ends for us. Historically spealing we dont care what we trade or with whom. The Nertherlands also don't want to influence every country on the planet like the US, Turkey, Russia and other countries want. Considering Turkey made its long therm goals very clear, gain control over parts of Europe. It is in my eyes no longer a viable relationship between NL and Turkey is to be had. Funny enough Germany and NL where very invested in Turkey. But Turkey doesn't want our money anyways. So to Turkey I would say good luck finding new friends perhaps Putin is intrested.

 

I only pitty the Turks entrepreneurs that once had a wealthy and nice going tourist economy. But since more than 50% of the Tourists came from Europe even excluding Russia in its prime day I guess those will sadly suffer badly.



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Qwark said:
Turkish said:

We know how you Dutch function, and nearly all of Turkey is against you, not just Erdogan fans.

You harbor PKK terrorists, your newspaper call them rebels while they destroy infrastructure in Turkey and kill our citzens, you supply and support dictators all over the world as long as they buy from you, you are two faced when dealing with non Europeans.

You are just afraid of and hate brown people, you yourself would rather prefer a murderer as long as he's white and "from da continent" than having a brown non European have any say in Europe. It's good that Muslims become a bigger population in Europe everyday, I hope Turks continue making more babies in Holland and the refugee deal is called off so we can unleash millions of syrians on you. You can keep your money and care for them yourself.

Just explain one thing to me if the Netherlands is such a terrible place. Why isn't every Turk leaving. Unlike that corrupt shit hole we actually don't keep people against their will. We very much like brown people as long as they like Mr Aboutaleb adapt and respect the Dutch values. Something which clearly didn't work out with the Turks all that well. 

 

I hope Turkey does send Syrians to Europe since they are now living in the equivalent of hell. The EU can manage a few more million Syrians. We would be happy to trade them with Turks. Everybody wins because Holland is the ewuivalent of jell for Turks. Erdogan is in my eyes a murderer, didn't he want the death penalty back anyway.

 

I am perfectly fine by NL cutting all ties with Turkey and now that everyone wants it. Let's get on with it, Turkey can keep their 6 billion send another few million Syrians trough. Most of them are pretty well educated anyway. Perhaps in 2030 when Erdogan isn't Turkey is leader anymore perhaps we should renegotiate with Turkey.

 

We are Dutch we trade stuff and that's where it ends for us. Historically spealing we dont care what we trade or with whom. The Nertherlands also don't want to influence every country on the planet like the US, Turkey, Russia and other countries want. Considering Turkey made its long therm goals very clear, gain control over parts of Europe. It is in my eyes no longer a viable relationship between NL and Turkey is to be had. Funny enough Germany and NL where very invested in Turkey. But Tutkey doesn't want our money anyways. So to Turkey I would say good luck finding new friends perhaps Putin is intrested. I only putty the Turks entrepreneurs that once had a wealthy and nice going tourist economy. But since more than 50% of the Tourists came from Europe even excluding Russia in its prime day I guess those will sadly suffer badly.

Can you please just stop being dicks to each other?



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Turkish said:
Qwark said:

Oh and I meant every word of it. I think Turkey in its current form us a disgrace for the entire continent. A bunch of heated political swines which always try to bring up bad things countries once did like the Holocaust and Sebrenica. Calling European countries that dint dance to theur will Nazi's while completely Ignoring no even denying anything bad Turkey ever did Armenian Genocide for instance. It's always fun that Turkey acts like a victim well guess what when you call people Nazi's and tell them that not a single European street will be safe and Turks should make more babies to gain influence in Europe. I am not a big fan, Putin is a dictator and also a piece of shit, but at least one which can be reasonable.

 

The day Europe decided to make a deal with that corrupted infested now proclaimed dictature that Turkey is was a black day in European history. As for the Muslim part I like Aboutaleb a non muslim major of Rotterdam. I dislike the shit face Erdogan.

We know how you Dutch function, and nearly all of Turkey is against you, not just Erdogan fans.

You harbor PKK terrorists, your newspaper call them rebels while they destroy infrastructure in Turkey and kill our citzens, you supply and support dictators all over the world as long as they buy from you, you are two faced when dealing with non Europeans.

You are just afraid of and hate brown people, you yourself would rather prefer a murderer as long as he's white and "from da continent" than having a brown non European have any say in Europe. It's good that Muslims become a bigger population in Europe everyday, I hope Turks continue making more babies in Holland and the refugee deal is called off so we can unleash millions of syrians on you. You can keep your money and care for them yourself.

You're spreading hate for no good reason and I've reported you. Erdogan is a dictator that wil llikely stay in power until 2029. No politician does any good being in power for that long, quite the contrary. Stop being defensive and think rationally about the takeover that is happening in your country right now. 

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As a non european I understand your frustation Turkish, but please don't generalize. Just beacuse Qwark is a decaying piece of garbage doesn't mean all the germanic people are.

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palou said:
Qwark said:

Just explain one thing to me if the Netherlands is such a terrible place. Why isn't every Turk leaving. Unlike that corrupt shit hole we actually don't keep people against their will. We very much like brown people as long as they like Mr Aboutaleb adapt and respect the Dutch values. Something which clearly didn't work out with the Turks all that well. 

 

I hope Turkey does send Syrians to Europe since they are now living in the equivalent of hell. The EU can manage a few more million Syrians. We would be happy to trade them with Turks. Everybody wins because Holland is the ewuivalent of jell for Turks. Erdogan is in my eyes a murderer, didn't he want the death penalty back anyway.

 

I am perfectly fine by NL cutting all ties with Turkey and now that everyone wants it. Let's get on with it, Turkey can keep their 6 billion send another few million Syrians trough. Most of them are pretty well educated anyway. Perhaps in 2030 when Erdogan isn't Turkey is leader anymore perhaps we should renegotiate with Turkey.

 

We are Dutch we trade stuff and that's where it ends for us. Historically spealing we dont care what we trade or with whom. The Nertherlands also don't want to influence every country on the planet like the US, Turkey, Russia and other countries want. Considering Turkey made its long therm goals very clear, gain control over parts of Europe. It is in my eyes no longer a viable relationship between NL and Turkey is to be had. Funny enough Germany and NL where very invested in Turkey. But Tutkey doesn't want our money anyways. So to Turkey I would say good luck finding new friends perhaps Putin is intrested. I only putty the Turks entrepreneurs that once had a wealthy and nice going tourist economy. But since more than 50% of the Tourists came from Europe even excluding Russia in its prime day I guess those will sadly suffer badly.

Can you please just stop being dicks to each other?

I fully support this sentiment. The nature of this arguement on both sides cannot lead to anything good.



Qwark said:
Turkish said:

We know how you Dutch function, and nearly all of Turkey is against you, not just Erdogan fans.

You harbor PKK terrorists, your newspaper call them rebels while they destroy infrastructure in Turkey and kill our citzens, you supply and support dictators all over the world as long as they buy from you, you are two faced when dealing with non Europeans.

You are just afraid of and hate brown people, you yourself would rather prefer a murderer as long as he's white and "from da continent" than having a brown non European have any say in Europe. It's good that Muslims become a bigger population in Europe everyday, I hope Turks continue making more babies in Holland and the refugee deal is called off so we can unleash millions of syrians on you. You can keep your money and care for them yourself.

Just explain one thing to me if the Netherlands is such a terrible place. Why isn't every Turk leaving. Unlike that corrupt shit hole we actually don't keep people against their will. We very much like brown people as long as they like Mr Aboutaleb adapt and respect the Dutch values. Something which clearly didn't work out with A PART the Dutch Turks all that well. 

 

I hope Turkey does send Syrians to Europe since they are now living in the equivalent of hell. The EU can manage a few more million Syrians. We would be happy to trade them with that part of Dutch Turks. Everybody wins because Holland is the equivalent of hell for Turks. Erdogan is in my eyes a murderer, didn't he want the death penalty back anyway.

I am perfectly fine by NL cutting all ties with Turkey and now that everyone wants it. Let's get on with it, Turkey can keep their 6 billion send another few million Syrians trough. Most of them are pretty well educated anyway. Perhaps in 2030 when Erdogan isn't Turkey is leader anymore perhaps we should renegotiate with Turkey.

We are Dutch we trade stuff and that's where it ends for us. Historically spealing we dont care what we trade or with whom. The Nertherlands also don't want to influence every country on the planet like the US, Turkey, Russia and other countries want. Considering Turkey made its long therm goals very clear, gain control over parts of Europe. It is in my eyes no longer a viable relationship between NL and Turkey is to be had. Funny enough Germany and NL where very invested in Turkey. But Turkey doesn't want our money anyways. So to Turkey I would say good luck finding new friends perhaps Putin is intrested.

 

I only pitty the Turks entrepreneurs that once had a wealthy and nice going tourist economy. But since more than 50% of the Tourists came from Europe even excluding Russia in its prime day I guess those will sadly suffer badly.

I have to admit this is a pretty good burn. Even so, the argument is getting out of hand, so can both of you just stop. 



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Qwark said:
Turkish said:

We know how you Dutch function, and nearly all of Turkey is against you, not just Erdogan fans.

You harbor PKK terrorists, your newspaper call them rebels while they destroy infrastructure in Turkey and kill our citzens, you supply and support dictators all over the world as long as they buy from you, you are two faced when dealing with non Europeans.

You are just afraid of and hate brown people, you yourself would rather prefer a murderer as long as he's white and "from da continent" than having a brown non European have any say in Europe. It's good that Muslims become a bigger population in Europe everyday, I hope Turks continue making more babies in Holland and the refugee deal is called off so we can unleash millions of syrians on you. You can keep your money and care for them yourself.

Just explain one thing to me if the Netherlands is such a terrible place. Why isn't every Turk leaving. Unlike that corrupt shit hole we actually don't keep people against their will. We very much like brown people as long as they like Mr Aboutaleb adapt and respect the Dutch values. Something which clearly didn't work out with A PART the Dutch Turks all that well. 

 

I hope Turkey does send Syrians to Europe since they are now living in the equivalent of hell. The EU can manage a few more million Syrians. We would be happy to trade them with that part of Dutch Turks. Everybody wins because Holland is the equivalent of hell for Turks. Erdogan is in my eyes a murderer, didn't he want the death penalty back anyway.

I am perfectly fine by NL cutting all ties with Turkey and now that everyone wants it. Let's get on with it, Turkey can keep their 6 billion send another few million Syrians trough. Most of them are pretty well educated anyway. Perhaps in 2030 when Erdogan isn't Turkey is leader anymore perhaps we should renegotiate with Turkey.

We are Dutch we trade stuff and that's where it ends for us. Historically spealing we dont care what we trade or with whom. The Nertherlands also don't want to influence every country on the planet like the US, Turkey, Russia and other countries want. Considering Turkey made its long therm goals very clear, gain control over parts of Europe. It is in my eyes no longer a viable relationship between NL and Turkey is to be had. Funny enough Germany and NL where very invested in Turkey. But Turkey doesn't want our money anyways. So to Turkey I would say good luck finding new friends perhaps Putin is intrested.

 

I only pitty the Turks entrepreneurs that once had a wealthy and nice going tourist economy. But since more than 50% of the Tourists came from Europe even excluding Russia in its prime day I guess those will sadly suffer badly.

No one said Netherlands is a terrible place, it's a wonderful place, thats why we try to make more babies here.

Spedfrom said:
Turkish said:

We know how you Dutch function, and nearly all of Turkey is against you, not just Erdogan fans.

You harbor PKK terrorists, your newspaper call them rebels while they destroy infrastructure in Turkey and kill our citzens, you supply and support dictators all over the world as long as they buy from you, you are two faced when dealing with non Europeans.

You are just afraid of and hate brown people, you yourself would rather prefer a murderer as long as he's white and "from da continent" than having a brown non European have any say in Europe. It's good that Muslims become a bigger population in Europe everyday, I hope Turks continue making more babies in Holland and the refugee deal is called off so we can unleash millions of syrians on you. You can keep your money and care for them yourself.

You're spreading hate for no good reason and I've reported you. Erdogan is a dictator that wil llikely stay in power until 2029. No politician does any good being in power for that long, quite the contrary. Stop being defensive and think rationally about the takeover that is happening in your country right now. 

Not sure how you expect me to respond to a guy who said he wants Turkey to go to shit rather than have it be a strong European player(Qwark has confused his Erdogan hatred with Turkey) and a guy making a xenophobic post hinting me to get out of Europe.

If this is your tone against Turks who voted against Erdogan then you will never have Turks as friends. No Turk will ever accept racism and ill will against his motherland. I will be more rational and more qualified to speak about my country than any non-Turk can ever be.



Being against a dictator isn't being racist. Hitler pretty much took over 1930's Germany in much the same way Erdogan is taking over Turkey. And Trump, for example, is only kept in check because the USA has a great many forces holding back such fascist movements. Regarding Qwark, you should have ignored him instead of dropping to his level.