VGPolyglot said:
sc94597 said:
False equivalency. Not using violence against activity does not mean you are fine with it.
I am anti-fascist, obviously. As are most people in the world today. But I don't think ends justify means. I am principled in my belief in the equal application of liberty, and that includes for people with views I don't like. Otherwise, I am giving the nazis and fascists precedent to do the same to me. As I said before, most of the people antifa protest and label as fascists or nazis are not fascists or nazis.
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That's a huge problem, though. They don't need precedent. They're ideology is inherently violent, so they view their violent tactics as just, much in the same way that I see a violent revolution as just if it leads to a socialist society where people's needs are met and where cooperation replaces competition as the main economic goal. Ideally, violence wouldn't be needed: social ostracization would be the ideal solution. However, I highly doubt that they're going to promote something like peaceful genocide or peacful ethnic cleansing or even "peaceful authortarianism", and I don't trust them to give me freedom of speech, because they view socialist, anarchist and communist views as a threat to them.
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Can you name a person or group of people antifa has protested whom call for genocide, ethnic cleansing, etc?
But even if they were, we are talking about legal precedent and moral precedent in the eyes of non-fascists, not the fasvists themselves. I am talking about the apolitical, moderates, etc. If antifa gets away with violence aimed towards fascists, then people will be numb when fascists do the same to communists.
I suppose the gap is too wide, but I view violent revolutionary activity as having been mostly unsuccessful. Working outside the state and defending oneself when attacked by it are okay. But actively trying to violently overthrow it never ends in a truly free society. Just despotism. Also just waiting for the proleteriat revolution is lazy in my eyes, especially in a petite-bourgious society like the U.S. If all the people who are ready to use violence instead aimed to create mutual aid societies and strong trade unions (per Kroptopkin) socialism would be a reality for many. Instead they'd rather burn trash cans, throw molokov cocktails, destroy personal property, pepper spray bystanders, and exaggerate about genocides which are not going to happen in today's developed world.
Also socialists and fascists fought like this in Italy. Mussolini won.