CHOOSE YOUR SIDE
Antifa (liberals, socialists, syndicalists, marxists, stalinists...) VS Anticom (conservatives, librarians, traditionalists, ancaps, fascists...)
Choose your side | |||
Antifa | 29 | 28.16% | |
Anticom | 39 | 37.86% | |
Enlightened Alt-Centrism | 35 | 33.98% | |
Total: | 103 |
CHOOSE YOUR SIDE
Antifa (liberals, socialists, syndicalists, marxists, stalinists...) VS Anticom (conservatives, librarians, traditionalists, ancaps, fascists...)
Well, I'm sure the people on this site already know which side I choose!
VGPolyglot said: Well, I'm sure the people on this site already know which side I choose! |
idk man you might be a monarchist for all i know i cant really see anything that could hint towards your views at all tbx
Both sides piss me off, but when push comes to shove, I'll side with the anti-commies.
t. person living in a country with active communist insurgency
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fory77 said:
idk man you might be a monarchist for all i know i cant really see anything that could hint towards your views at all tbx |
I assume that you're joking, but anyone who doesn't block sigs is able to see.
This is like asking us to choose between the crips and the bloods. Neither. And no consistent libertarian would support illibertarian means to particular ends.
sc94597 said: This is like asking us to choose between the crips and the bloods. Neither. And no consistent libertarian would support illibertarian means to particular ends. |
Well, you have to destroy authoritarianism in order to achieve libertarianism.
VGPolyglot said:
Well, you have to destroy authoritarianism in order to achieve libertarianism. |
You can't change human nature, only the conditions in which people act. You'll find that the mechanisms which are used to outlaw the ideas of authoritarians are precisely the means by which authoritarians gain systems which can be used to oppress others. You end up with Soviet Russia or Jacobite France, where the Stalins and Napoleans can take power. Libertarianism (of any form) can only be achieved by abolishing the state through peaceful activity and showing its obsolesence, so that when it does collapse (and they all do) there is an underlying libertarian society to replace it. I promote civil disobedience, defensive action, counter-economics, agorism, mutual aid societies, and technology as means to abolish the state and realize a more libertarian and egalitarian society. Proudhon called for similar methods like dual power , which consistent libertarian socialists support.
"Libertarian socialists have more recently appropriated the term to refer to the nonviolent strategy of achieving a libertarian socialist economy and polity by means of incrementally establishing and then networking institutions of direct participatory democracy to contest the existing power structures of state and capitalism. This does not necessarily mean disengagement with existing institutions; for example, Yates McKee describes a dual-power approach as "forging alliances and supporting demands on existing institutions — elected officials, public agencies, universities, workplaces, banks, corporations, museums — while at the same time developing self-organized counter-institutions." In this context, the strategy itself is sometimes also referred to as "counterpower" to differentiate it from the term's Leninist origins."
The american Antifa movement just comes off as a bunch of Tankies trying to turn otherwise peaceful leftists toward authoritarian marxism-leninism. Not interested.