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Torillian on 16 April 2017
Aeolus451 said:
H.E.R. said:

We didn't. Hillary Clinton got more votes. Our outdated voting process let him become President. Of course Trump without any evidence will tell you that 3 million people voted illegaly all for Clinton.

It's no secret that liberals try to change voting laws to where anyone can vote without showing any ID, so illegals can vote. 

"There were 11.1 million unauthorized immigrants in the U.S. in 2014, a total unchanged from 2009 and accounting for 3.5% of the nation’s population. The number of unauthorized immigrants peaked in 2007 at 12.2 million, when this group was 4% of the U.S. population."

http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2016/11/03/5-facts-about-illegal-immigration-in-the-u-s/

In reality, Hillarity probably lost the popular vote by millions.

 

So you argue that roughly half of illegal immigrants voted in 2016?  What do you base this off of?  



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jason1637 on 16 April 2017

Not a big deal.



jason1637 on 16 April 2017
Naum said:
How the f**k could you US citizens vote this A-hole to office? he's a disgrace to the human race and democracy.

He's not a disgrace to the human race or democracy but he can be an ass at times.



Aeolus451 on 16 April 2017
Torillian said:
Aeolus451 said:

It's no secret that liberals try to change voting laws to where anyone can vote without showing any ID, so illegals can vote. 

"There were 11.1 million unauthorized immigrants in the U.S. in 2014, a total unchanged from 2009 and accounting for 3.5% of the nation’s population. The number of unauthorized immigrants peaked in 2007 at 12.2 million, when this group was 4% of the U.S. population."

http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2016/11/03/5-facts-about-illegal-immigration-in-the-u-s/

In reality, Hillarity probably lost the popular vote by millions.

 

So you argue that roughly half of illegal immigrants voted in 2016?  What do you base this off of?  

I was guessing based on logic and from what i read on this from different sources. I'll be honest about that. I'm willing to do some digging to prove my statement or prove my line of though wasn't off. Roughly half? No. Maybe 4 or 5 million voted. Maybe more. It's no secret that liberal politicans have been allowing illegals to vote by making it so no one has to show IDs to vote. They're expanding that into the more states. Texas is there latest target. Anyway, here some stuff that I found. 

http://www.laalmanac.com/immigration/im04a.php

"According to the U.S. Department of Homeland Security (DHS), an estimated 2,830,000 unlawful immigrants resided in California in 2012, compared to 1.5 million in 1990 and 2.5 million in 2000. This number represents 24.7 percent of the entire estimated unlawful immigrant population in the United States (11.4 million in 2012)." 

That's based off of estimates from 2012 which for some reason is the lastest I could find. Even that is very fishy to me. 1.5 mil in 1990 to 2.5 mil in 2000 to 2.8 mil in 2014? lol It should be around 4.1 to 4.5 mil. It's more than safe to say there's more illegals overall in the US now than at 2012.

Illegals have an deep interest in voting because it could affect if they can stay in the country or not. Just from California, there's enough illegals for the bulk of it. I'm gonna try to look more in a bit.



Ultr on 16 April 2017
Aeolus451 said:
Torillian said:

So you argue that roughly half of illegal immigrants voted in 2016?  What do you base this off of?  

I was guessing based on logic and from what i read on this from different sources. I'll be honest about that. I'm willing to do some digging to prove my statement or prove my line of though wasn't off. Roughly half? No. Maybe 4 or 5 million voted. Maybe more. It's no secret that liberal politicans have been allowing illegals to vote by making it so no one has to show IDs to vote. They're expanding that into the more states. Texas is there latest target. Anyway, here some stuff that I found. 

http://www.laalmanac.com/immigration/im04a.php

"According to the U.S. Department of Homeland Security (DHS), an estimated 2,830,000 unlawful immigrants resided in California in 2012, compared to 1.5 million in 1990 and 2.5 million in 2000. This number represents 24.7 percent of the entire estimated unlawful immigrant population in the United States (11.4 million in 2012)." 

That's based off of estimates from 2012 which for some reason is the lastest I could find. Even that is very fishy to me. 1.5 mil in 1990 to 2.5 mil in 2000 to 2.8 mil in 2014? lol It should be around 4.1 to 4.5 mil. It's more than safe to say there's more illegals overall in the US now than at 2012.

Illegals have an deep interest in voting because it could affect if they can stay in the country or not. Just from California, there's enough illegals for the bulk of it. I'm gonna try to look more in a bit.

Legals also have a deep interest in voting because it could affect their lives. But.. turns out they sometimes vote against themselfs :D



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H.E.R. on 16 April 2017
Aeolus451 said:
Torillian said:

So you argue that roughly half of illegal immigrants voted in 2016?  What do you base this off of?  

I was guessing based on logic and from what i read on this from different sources. I'll be honest about that. I'm willing to do some digging to prove my statement or prove my line of though wasn't off. Roughly half? No. Maybe 4 or 5 million voted. Maybe more. It's no secret that liberal politicans have been allowing illegals to vote by making it so no one has to show IDs to vote. They're expanding that into the more states. Texas is there latest target. Anyway, here some stuff that I found. 

http://www.laalmanac.com/immigration/im04a.php

"According to the U.S. Department of Homeland Security (DHS), an estimated 2,830,000 unlawful immigrants resided in California in 2012, compared to 1.5 million in 1990 and 2.5 million in 2000. This number represents 24.7 percent of the entire estimated unlawful immigrant population in the United States (11.4 million in 2012)." 

That's based off of estimates from 2012 which for some reason is the lastest I could find. Even that is very fishy to me. 1.5 mil in 1990 to 2.5 mil in 2000 to 2.8 mil in 2014? lol It should be around 4.1 to 4.5 mil. It's more than safe to say there's more illegals overall in the US now than at 2012.

Illegals have an deep interest in voting because it could affect if they can stay in the country or not. Just from California, there's enough illegals for the bulk of it. I'm gonna try to look more in a bit.

With your logic, you would think Hillary Clinton or any liberal in any general election would've won the southern states had illegals voted there. particularly Arizona, Texas, Florida, and Georgia whom are among the highest illegal immigrant population in the country.

http://www.pewhispanic.org/interactives/unauthorized-immigrants/



Torillian on 16 April 2017
Aeolus451 said:
Torillian said:

So you argue that roughly half of illegal immigrants voted in 2016?  What do you base this off of?  

I was guessing based on logic and from what i read on this from different sources. I'll be honest about that. I'm willing to do some digging to prove my statement or prove my line of though wasn't off. Roughly half? No. Maybe 4 or 5 million voted. Maybe more. It's no secret that liberal politicans have been allowing illegals to vote by making it so no one has to show IDs to vote. They're expanding that into the more states. Texas is there latest target. Anyway, here some stuff that I found. 

http://www.laalmanac.com/immigration/im04a.php

"According to the U.S. Department of Homeland Security (DHS), an estimated 2,830,000 unlawful immigrants resided in California in 2012, compared to 1.5 million in 1990 and 2.5 million in 2000. This number represents 24.7 percent of the entire estimated unlawful immigrant population in the United States (11.4 million in 2012)." 

That's based off of estimates from 2012 which for some reason is the lastest I could find. Even that is very fishy to me. 1.5 mil in 1990 to 2.5 mil in 2000 to 2.8 mil in 2014? lol It should be around 4.1 to 4.5 mil. It's more than safe to say there's more illegals overall in the US now than at 2012.

Illegals have an deep interest in voting because it could affect if they can stay in the country or not. Just from California, there's enough illegals for the bulk of it. I'm gonna try to look more in a bit.

You continue to prove that illegals exist in numbers that if they could vote they could do so in the millions.  That's not my issue, you have yet to show that illegals actually are voting in such numbers or even at all. You have to show an ID to register to vote, so how do you propose that millions of people that couldn't register to vote did so anyway?



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H.E.R. on 16 April 2017
Aeolus451 said:
Naum said:
How the f**k could you US citizens vote this A-hole to office? he's a disgrace to the human race and democracy.

Because we're tired of liberals lying and only making things worse for the country. 

Trump and his family are set to break Obama's travel costs in his 8 years of Presidency in a few months. Obama's totaled to just under $97 million.

http://www.judicialwatch.org/press-room/press-releases/judicial-watch-new-obama-travel-costs-bring-eight-year-total-96-million/

In Trump's first 80 days, he and his family have spent approximately $20 million of taxpayers' money.

http://www.cnn.com/2017/04/10/politics/donald-trump-obama-travel-costs/

 

We should ask Trump how he feels about this at the White House. Oh no wait, he's at Mar-a-lago again.

https://istrumpatmaralago.org/

 

Feel free to call Obama or Hillary Clinton whatever name you wish, but let's not ignore that Donald J. Trump, the President from the Republican party, is a disaster so far. First major bill (ACA repeal) was defeated when he has a majority Congress, his travel ban was defeated twice, his border wall is becoming more of a joke and he's not making Mexico pay for it, talk of cutting into Social Security, changing the rules to get his Supreme Court nominee a seat, had his first military operation result in the killing of a Navy Seal and 14-25 civilians, has proposed a facepalm of a federal budget, and has the lowest approval numbers this early into his Presidency since approval numbers were introduced. Oh and how's that "Drain The Swamp" going with billionaires in his Cabinet and rolling back regulations that were supposed to keep Wall Street in check? Hell, even keeping the list of White House visitors a secret goes against "draining the swamp" since it completely goes against transparancy.

And what other lies has he told his supporters? He said USA shouldn't get involved in Syria when Obama was President and he orders an airstrike on a Syrian airfield without congressional approval (which is sickening that he got bipartisan support after). Ask Trump what he thinks of NATO now or if China is a currency manipulator. Hell, how's that "hiring a special prosecutor" to go after Hillary Clinton going?



Aeolus451 on 16 April 2017
H.E.R. said:
Aeolus451 said:

I was guessing based on logic and from what i read on this from different sources. I'll be honest about that. I'm willing to do some digging to prove my statement or prove my line of though wasn't off. Roughly half? No. Maybe 4 or 5 million voted. Maybe more. It's no secret that liberal politicans have been allowing illegals to vote by making it so no one has to show IDs to vote. They're expanding that into the more states. Texas is there latest target. Anyway, here some stuff that I found. 

http://www.laalmanac.com/immigration/im04a.php

"According to the U.S. Department of Homeland Security (DHS), an estimated 2,830,000 unlawful immigrants resided in California in 2012, compared to 1.5 million in 1990 and 2.5 million in 2000. This number represents 24.7 percent of the entire estimated unlawful immigrant population in the United States (11.4 million in 2012)." 

That's based off of estimates from 2012 which for some reason is the lastest I could find. Even that is very fishy to me. 1.5 mil in 1990 to 2.5 mil in 2000 to 2.8 mil in 2014? lol It should be around 4.1 to 4.5 mil. It's more than safe to say there's more illegals overall in the US now than at 2012.

Illegals have an deep interest in voting because it could affect if they can stay in the country or not. Just from California, there's enough illegals for the bulk of it. I'm gonna try to look more in a bit.

With your logic, you would think Hillary Clinton or any liberal in any general election would've won the southern states had illegals voted there. particularly Arizona, Texas, Florida, and Georgia whom are among the highest illegal immigrant population in the country.

http://www.pewhispanic.org/interactives/unauthorized-immigrants/

They can vote anywhere there's no voter ID laws or anywhere they can get an ID without proving they are legally here. 



Aeolus451 on 16 April 2017
Ultr said:
Aeolus451 said:

I was guessing based on logic and from what i read on this from different sources. I'll be honest about that. I'm willing to do some digging to prove my statement or prove my line of though wasn't off. Roughly half? No. Maybe 4 or 5 million voted. Maybe more. It's no secret that liberal politicans have been allowing illegals to vote by making it so no one has to show IDs to vote. They're expanding that into the more states. Texas is there latest target. Anyway, here some stuff that I found. 

http://www.laalmanac.com/immigration/im04a.php

"According to the U.S. Department of Homeland Security (DHS), an estimated 2,830,000 unlawful immigrants resided in California in 2012, compared to 1.5 million in 1990 and 2.5 million in 2000. This number represents 24.7 percent of the entire estimated unlawful immigrant population in the United States (11.4 million in 2012)." 

That's based off of estimates from 2012 which for some reason is the lastest I could find. Even that is very fishy to me. 1.5 mil in 1990 to 2.5 mil in 2000 to 2.8 mil in 2014? lol It should be around 4.1 to 4.5 mil. It's more than safe to say there's more illegals overall in the US now than at 2012.

Illegals have an deep interest in voting because it could affect if they can stay in the country or not. Just from California, there's enough illegals for the bulk of it. I'm gonna try to look more in a bit.

Legals also have a deep interest in voting because it could affect their lives. But.. turns out they sometimes vote against themselfs :D

Some of them do vote against democrats. It's mainly because they realized that democrats don't give a rat's ass about them except when it's time to vote for them. It's especially telling of their motivations when they can easily make sure they can vote for them but it's still difficult to become legal.