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A_C_E said:
eva01beserk said:

When someone runs over somebody, they still go to jail. If there was no jail for them or consecuenses then people would be runing over people because like you said, people at root are evil and selfish. The problem you dont want to see is that in thouse countrys, their laws enforce this awfull behaviour.  If they had a separation of church and state then you would not see this barbaric acts. its that simple.

like I said before, christianity is just as awfull, but if we did someting like killing gays for being gay, we would go to jail in the west. Trust me, if that was not the law then it would be just as bad in the west. But we left that a very long time ago and we evolved our way of thinking, wich in turn evolved out way of behaving. they have not, because they still have religion above all else manily in their law. Untill thats done with, they will always be savages.

I want to see everything, I'm not choosing to ignore evidence here. I'm not talking about what people go to jail for either, that means nothing to me.

OK, so you went from it being religions fault to the laws fault, that's an interesting tactic...

Thankfully there are still people in every counry of the world who take responsibility for their actions instead of blaming religion or ideology or words.

There have been cases in North America where an arguement broke out between two people who disputed which sports team was better than the other. One of them died as a result of that arguement that led to a fight, I guess we should get rid of sports and hey, why not get rid of free speech as well since so many arguements have escalated to death. Great logic. You see religion, sports, free speech cannot be inherently bad, it is up to the individual to create action.

At no point switched anything. All religion leads to hate and violence if left unchecked. It will always be the root cause. I was just telling the diference in the west wich countrys are not ruled by religion, and the midle east where countrys are lead by religion. at heart they all belive the same, but if in country a you kill a gay and go to jail, then you probably wont go gay hunting, but in country b you kill a gay and you actually get praised for it, then chances are that you will go gay hunting. See? both religions are awfull, but one countrys law dosent allow it, so there is the diference.

And do you honestly see similaritys between a guy killing another over an argument and honor killings? For one, like I said before, the guy over the sports argument suffered a penalty, wich was most likely jail. The same as free speech, cars and sports and even guns, we can have all of it, but if you do something stupid or evil with thouse freedoms you will sufer the consecuenses like any individual under the law. Everything is is potentially bad, thats why laws prohibit people from doing thouse bad things. So your logic is the one that needs questioning.



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celador said:
Smear-Gel said:
person does something stupid:
"wow that person is stupid"

religious person does something stupid:
"religion is a disease"

Boring. People are stupid and get way into their beliefs, no matter what those are. We can condemn these stupid people without taking the easy way out and just scapegoating religion in general.

the non-religious idiots don't have a unifying ideology they are trying to enforce through violence

pretty important distinction

There has never been a large non religious group of people forcing their views through violence? Well, alright.



 

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Wow so on one side of the planet a group of people kills one person in a school for having a different opinion while on the other side a person kills a group of people in a school also for having a different opinion. In all cases it's because of disagreements, and in all cases they are extremists. To me it's all about education.

It doesn't matter if you are religious or not if you are an extremist you will do extreme actions and sometimes it will end up into killings. Extremists are the ones that needs to be taught a lesson and education needs to come first.



eva01beserk said:

 All religion leads to hate and violence if left unchecked. It will always be the root cause.

This is just being stupid. The idea that every religious person is bloodthirsty and being held back by the laws in their country is absolutely ridiculous.

I know it's a common thing to fall prey to availability heuristics and analyse a group or situation based on examples that come to mind, but that certainly doesnt mean religious reactions you see on the news defines the group. Hell, your idea of religion comes from a lack of understanding just like the christians who want to go killing gay people. That's not a religious ideology, that's a group of people who wanna kill gay people because they grew up in a house where their parents wante the same due to an inherent mistrust of groups that are seen as "other."



 

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Smear-Gel said:
celador said:

the non-religious idiots don't have a unifying ideology they are trying to enforce through violence

pretty important distinction

There has never been a large non religious group of people forcing their views through violence? Well, alright.

we are talking about the present

what major non-religious groups are trying to enforce their doctrine worldwide?



celador said:
Smear-Gel said:

There has never been a large non religious group of people forcing their views through violence? Well, alright.

we are talking about the present

what major non-religious groups are trying to enforce their doctrine worldwide?

The American government tries to intervene around the world under the guise of freedom and democracy.



Ka-pi96 said:
taus90 said:

Well no islam doesnt advocate killing of anyone be it a sinner or who wants to practice different religion, again you are buying into these vocal minorities belief who have twisting what islam is all about, jihad as i have studied is the act of protecting ur beliefs in that religion within that community, and not force other or let anyone else force their values, but u can see how easily it can misintereprated to an illiterate person for their personal gains, for majority of these hot head people best defense is offense. hence their version of jihad is killing in process giving it a bad image.

And if any countries law or culture is centered around a specific religion it is bound to be doomed, not just islam.. Infact few islamic countries wit law centered around it are the only countries who have been doing well compared to other religious centric countries.. example, UAE, Malayasia, Turkey, Egypt.. Compare this to Srilanka, bangladesh, nepal to some extent even India is gravitating towards it.

All i am saying is just do some research about religions and culture, even i was once hell bent on believoing islam is the religion that preachs killing, coz thats what i got from media, but i just didnt understand if it is so bad why are so many people hung on to it.. No religion is bad its just the people backward ass people.

And i dont want to preachy or anything (i guess that train has left :P)... The views which you have about islam is similar to that of these so called fanatics have about other religions, the only difference is you have been brought up with a higher moral authority by the well interconnected society.

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Yeah, looks like a "vocal minority" to me!

And I find it kind of funny that you're doing pretty much the opposite to me by blaming the culture rather than the religion. I think all those muslim majority countries have a fascinating culture that would be interesting to talk to people from and learn about, and that it's the religion that has infected those cultures and turned them in to something to be wary about rather than fascinated by. Some of those countries (particularly Egypt and Iran) have a truly amazing history but it feels like islam has kind of washed away those ancient cultures and in some ways dirtied them.

Well in those region thats one law that predates even islam itself, back before islam was a thing apostasy law was an effective way from people migrating into different tribes and whats funny is muhammad was one of the victim of apostasy law as he wanted to convert to islam, which he had envisioned, but he fled before being executed and came back with an army of men "jihadi's" who wished to follow the religion of their choice. People were free to choose the religion of their choice but this tribal law was fashioned back in somewhere around 11th century, because these tribal leaders enforce their own law or add verse into quran as they wanted the same status as muhammad, and majority of them succeed hence the reason apostasy law was back as the holy text, and the apostasy law which these country have directly conflicts with original verse of koran, "that only a man can be subjected to apostasy not a woman and the man will only be sentenced to death if he starts a war, harms other muslim, tries to disrupt religious rituals, or tries to influence other opting out of islam and in woman case if she use a weapon to harm others

And i m not sure abt the law, in these countries but the matter of fact is this so called sharia law or islamic law is nothing but a collection (fatwa's) modified verse to suit the juristic needs of tribal people in medival periods. hence there are so many community among muslims and their laws have different take on apostasy. also to add I dont think these goverment really act on this law at all coz i have friends who i play games with from these countries are converted christians and buddhist.. I mean their parents are, but they have a hard life.



VGPolyglot said:
celador said:

we are talking about the present

what major non-religious groups are trying to enforce their doctrine worldwide?

The American government tries to intervene around the world under the guise of freedom and democracy.

i get where you are coming from, by they aren't really interested in enforcing an ideology, it's more a blatant grab for resources and power



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