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Jesus, what a bunch of fucking primitives.



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eva01beserk said:
A_C_E said:

It's the people's fault, people beat this guy to death...lol you think religion is responsible for this? Excuses, excuses. Religion and everything without free-thought cannot be inherently bad. It is up to the PEOPLE to do bad things and the parents/teachers to teach bad things. People are the root of evil act, not words or ideologies for these can't be inherently bad.

That's like saying "Cars are bad because they kill ten's of thousands of people each year"...ummmm no, the people that drive them are bad, cars are nothing but metal, they can't be inherently bad. Logic.

When someone runs over somebody, they still go to jail. If there was no jail for them or consecuenses then people would be runing over people because like you said, people at root are evil and selfish. The problem you dont want to see is that in thouse countrys, their laws enforce this awfull behaviour.  If they had a separation of church and state then you would not see this barbaric acts. its that simple.

like I said before, christianity is just as awfull, but if we did someting like killing gays for being gay, we would go to jail in the west. Trust me, if that was not the law then it would be just as bad in the west. But we left that a very long time ago and we evolved our way of thinking, wich in turn evolved out way of behaving. they have not, because they still have religion above all else manily in their law. Untill thats done with, they will always be savages.

I want to see everything, I'm not choosing to ignore evidence here. I'm not talking about what people go to jail for either, that means nothing to me.

OK, so you went from it being religions fault to the laws fault, that's an interesting tactic...

Thankfully there are still people in every counry of the world who take responsibility for their actions instead of blaming religion or ideology or words.

There have been cases in North America where an arguement broke out between two people who disputed which sports team was better than the other. One of them died as a result of that arguement that led to a fight, I guess we should get rid of sports and hey, why not get rid of free speech as well since so many arguements have escalated to death. Great logic. You see religion, sports, free speech cannot be inherently bad, it is up to the individual to create action.



Smear-Gel said:
person does something stupid:
"wow that person is stupid"

religious person does something stupid:
"religion is a disease"

Boring. People are stupid and get way into their beliefs, no matter what those are. We can condemn these stupid people without taking the easy way out and just scapegoating religion in general.

the non-religious idiots don't have a unifying ideology they are trying to enforce through violence

pretty important distinction



A_C_E said:
eva01beserk said:

When someone runs over somebody, they still go to jail. If there was no jail for them or consecuenses then people would be runing over people because like you said, people at root are evil and selfish. The problem you dont want to see is that in thouse countrys, their laws enforce this awfull behaviour.  If they had a separation of church and state then you would not see this barbaric acts. its that simple.

like I said before, christianity is just as awfull, but if we did someting like killing gays for being gay, we would go to jail in the west. Trust me, if that was not the law then it would be just as bad in the west. But we left that a very long time ago and we evolved our way of thinking, wich in turn evolved out way of behaving. they have not, because they still have religion above all else manily in their law. Untill thats done with, they will always be savages.

I want to see everything, I'm not choosing to ignore evidence here. I'm not talking about what people go to jail for either, that means nothing to me.

OK, so you went from it being religions fault to the laws fault, that's an interesting tactic...

Thankfully there are still people in every counry of the world who take responsibility for their actions instead of blaming religion or ideology or words.

There have been cases in North America where an arguement broke out between two people who disputed which sports team was better than the other. One of them died as a result of that arguement that led to a fight, I guess we should get rid of sports and hey, why not get rid of free speech as well since so many arguements have escalated to death. Great logic. You see religion, sports, free speech cannot be inherently bad, it is up to the individual to create action.

At no point switched anything. All religion leads to hate and violence if left unchecked. It will always be the root cause. I was just telling the diference in the west wich countrys are not ruled by religion, and the midle east where countrys are lead by religion. at heart they all belive the same, but if in country a you kill a gay and go to jail, then you probably wont go gay hunting, but in country b you kill a gay and you actually get praised for it, then chances are that you will go gay hunting. See? both religions are awfull, but one countrys law dosent allow it, so there is the diference.

And do you honestly see similaritys between a guy killing another over an argument and honor killings? For one, like I said before, the guy over the sports argument suffered a penalty, wich was most likely jail. The same as free speech, cars and sports and even guns, we can have all of it, but if you do something stupid or evil with thouse freedoms you will sufer the consecuenses like any individual under the law. Everything is is potentially bad, thats why laws prohibit people from doing thouse bad things. So your logic is the one that needs questioning.



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celador said:
Smear-Gel said:
person does something stupid:
"wow that person is stupid"

religious person does something stupid:
"religion is a disease"

Boring. People are stupid and get way into their beliefs, no matter what those are. We can condemn these stupid people without taking the easy way out and just scapegoating religion in general.

the non-religious idiots don't have a unifying ideology they are trying to enforce through violence

pretty important distinction

There has never been a large non religious group of people forcing their views through violence? Well, alright.



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What an open and understanding group of people...



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Wow so on one side of the planet a group of people kills one person in a school for having a different opinion while on the other side a person kills a group of people in a school also for having a different opinion. In all cases it's because of disagreements, and in all cases they are extremists. To me it's all about education.

It doesn't matter if you are religious or not if you are an extremist you will do extreme actions and sometimes it will end up into killings. Extremists are the ones that needs to be taught a lesson and education needs to come first.



eva01beserk said:

 All religion leads to hate and violence if left unchecked. It will always be the root cause.

This is just being stupid. The idea that every religious person is bloodthirsty and being held back by the laws in their country is absolutely ridiculous.

I know it's a common thing to fall prey to availability heuristics and analyse a group or situation based on examples that come to mind, but that certainly doesnt mean religious reactions you see on the news defines the group. Hell, your idea of religion comes from a lack of understanding just like the christians who want to go killing gay people. That's not a religious ideology, that's a group of people who wanna kill gay people because they grew up in a house where their parents wante the same due to an inherent mistrust of groups that are seen as "other."



Smear-Gel said:
celador said:

the non-religious idiots don't have a unifying ideology they are trying to enforce through violence

pretty important distinction

There has never been a large non religious group of people forcing their views through violence? Well, alright.

we are talking about the present

what major non-religious groups are trying to enforce their doctrine worldwide?



celador said:
Smear-Gel said:

There has never been a large non religious group of people forcing their views through violence? Well, alright.

we are talking about the present

what major non-religious groups are trying to enforce their doctrine worldwide?

The American government tries to intervene around the world under the guise of freedom and democracy.