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Ka-pi96 said:
taus90 said:

How can u ignore the fact that there are many more muslims around the world who are more liberal than these people, but u choose to generalize a religion based on the mentality of few extrimist minority and ignore the large number of those muslim and the message they wanna spread, are you oblivious to the fact that religion for these people is just mere catalyst for their barbaric mentality, just remove islam from the equation and put a different religion or belief it wont change their backward culture and the way they have been brought up.

Actually... it would!

For starters islam is (as far as I know) the only religion that advocates killing anybody that doesn't want to be a part of it anymore or anybody that draws an image of some dead old dood. So replace it with a different religion or belief and it's already a little better.

And then, I'll admit I don't know how accurate it is, but it does certainly seem the case that the culture many (if not all) muslim majority countries have is specifically centred around islam. So remove islam and obviously the culture would have to be different since it wouldn't have something to be centred around any more. Sure, it could end up worse... but the odds of that seem pretty unlikely.

Well no islam doesnt advocate killing of anyone be it a sinner or who wants to practice different religion, again you are buying into these vocal minorities belief who have twisting what islam is all about, jihad as i have studied is the act of protecting ur beliefs in that religion within that community, and not force other or let anyone else force their values, but u can see how easily it can misintereprated to an illiterate person for their personal gains, for majority of these hot head people best defense is offense. hence their version of jihad is killing in process giving it a bad image.

And if any countries law or culture is centered around a specific religion it is bound to be doomed, not just islam.. Infact few islamic countries wit law centered around it are the only countries who have been doing well compared to other religious centric countries.. example, UAE, Malayasia, Turkey, Egypt.. Compare this to Srilanka, bangladesh, nepal to some extent even India is gravitating towards it.

All i am saying is just do some research about religions and culture, even i was once hell bent on believoing islam is the religion that preachs killing, coz thats what i got from media, but i just didnt understand if it is so bad why are so many people hung on to it.. No religion is bad its just the people backward ass people.

And i dont want to preachy or anything (i guess that train has left :P)... The views which you have about islam is similar to that of these so called fanatics have about other religions, the only difference is you have been brought up with a higher moral authority by the well interconnected society.



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The US is already on the brink of removing the separation of church and state. There are still a lot of cases in the backwater states where schools openly preach christianity in the schools and in some cases tell the children of known atheists that they're going to hell.



Mar1217 said:
A good example of what any strong beliefs can lead to ... ugh.

Not all beliefs are equally bad at the same time.

Islam is a set of beliefs which is particularly bad right now. Hopefully islamic communities can reform the religion in the same way Christianity has been over the centuries. Otherwise it's probably going to mean WWIII.



Kyuu said:
Disgusting..

Why is it a surprise that in many places, Muslims don't get along with each other when a significant section of them is an outright plague? I doubt that even in this day, tolerant and educated Christians will simply turn the other cheek to the hypothetical radical Christians that are out to fight, torture, murder and subjugate them because they interpret their religion differently (which did happen to an unprecedented scale a few centuries ago in The Thirty Years' War)

The fact of the matter is that there is a dangerous branch in Islam that rose to power due in part to western interventions; that have been and still are spreading a poisonous and extremely dangerous way of thinking. You cannot eradicate that overnight by turning your other cheek.. there's no way to avoid conflict under such circumstances.

its not significant, its minority, media focuses on that part of the world because it makes better news. And the muslim who took initiative to study about the religion and the way it should be practice is way different then a muslim who was told about the islam by some fanatic guy who was preached by some other fanatic guy.. and these illiterate muslim hate these intellectual muslim who question their method of practicing religion... this is what happened at that university.. And yes these people are Plague, because of their tribal belief.



A_C_E said:
eva01beserk said:

Hooligans or not, do you think is still sane to be able to hide behind blasphemy to do a brutal public killing? as long as they can hide behind muhamad and do awfull things with no questions asked, is still the religions fault.

It's the people's fault, people beat this guy to death...lol you think religion is responsible for this? Excuses, excuses. Religion and everything without free-thought cannot be inherently bad. It is up to the PEOPLE to do bad things and the parents/teachers to teach bad things. People are the root of evil act, not words or ideologies for these can't be inherently bad.

That's like saying "Cars are bad because they kill ten's of thousands of people each year"...ummmm no, the people that drive them are bad, cars are nothing but metal, they can't be inherently bad. Logic.

When someone runs over somebody, they still go to jail. If there was no jail for them or consecuenses then people would be runing over people because like you said, people at root are evil and selfish. The problem you dont want to see is that in thouse countrys, their laws enforce this awfull behaviour.  If they had a separation of church and state then you would not see this barbaric acts. its that simple.

like I said before, christianity is just as awfull, but if we did someting like killing gays for being gay, we would go to jail in the west. Trust me, if that was not the law then it would be just as bad in the west. But we left that a very long time ago and we evolved our way of thinking, wich in turn evolved out way of behaving. they have not, because they still have religion above all else manily in their law. Untill thats done with, they will always be savages.



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taus90 said:
Ka-pi96 said:

Actually... it would!

For starters islam is (as far as I know) the only religion that advocates killing anybody that doesn't want to be a part of it anymore or anybody that draws an image of some dead old dood. So replace it with a different religion or belief and it's already a little better.

And then, I'll admit I don't know how accurate it is, but it does certainly seem the case that the culture many (if not all) muslim majority countries have is specifically centred around islam. So remove islam and obviously the culture would have to be different since it wouldn't have something to be centred around any more. Sure, it could end up worse... but the odds of that seem pretty unlikely.

Well no islam doesnt advocate killing of anyone be it a sinner or who wants to practice different religion, again you are buying into these vocal minorities belief who have twisting what islam is all about, jihad as i have studied is the act of protecting ur beliefs in that religion within that community, and not force other or let anyone else force their values, but u can see how easily it can misintereprated to an illiterate person for their personal gains, for majority of these hot head people best defense is offense. hence their version of jihad is killing in process giving it a bad image.

And if any countries law or culture is centered around a specific religion it is bound to be doomed, not just islam.. Infact few islamic countries wit law centered around it are the only countries who have been doing well compared to other religious centric countries.. example, UAE, Malayasia, Turkey, Egypt.. Compare this to Srilanka, bangladesh, nepal to some extent even India is gravitating towards it.

All i am saying is just do some research about religions and culture, even i was once hell bent on believoing islam is the religion that preachs killing, coz thats what i got from media, but i just didnt understand if it is so bad why are so many people hung on to it.. No religion is bad its just the people backward ass people.

And i dont want to preachy or anything (i guess that train has left :P)... The views which you have about islam is similar to that of these so called fanatics have about other religions, the only difference is you have been brought up with a higher moral authority by the well interconnected society.

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Yeah, looks like a "vocal minority" to me!

And I find it kind of funny that you're doing pretty much the opposite to me by blaming the culture rather than the religion. I think all those muslim majority countries have a fascinating culture that would be interesting to talk to people from and learn about, and that it's the religion that has infected those cultures and turned them in to something to be wary about rather than fascinated by. Some of those countries (particularly Egypt and Iran) have a truly amazing history but it feels like islam has kind of washed away those ancient cultures and in some ways dirtied them.



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eva01beserk said:
taus90 said:

How can u ignore the fact that there are many more muslims around the world who are more liberal than these people, but u choose to generalize a religion based on the mentality of few extrimist minority and ignore the large number of those muslim and the message they wanna spread, are you oblivious to the fact that religion for these people is just mere catalyst for their barbaric mentality, just remove islam from the equation and put a different religion or belief it wont change their backward culture and the way they have been brought up.

Thats where you are wrong. The majority are from backwater poor places like this, so the majority of muslims behave like this. And its not because they are poor or that they cant learn and evolve, it is the very religion that imedes them from growing and advancing as a civilization. Muslim dont get along with any culture wic is another thing that holds them back, only the 2 or 3 small nations that are swiming in oil have made some advancement. Because unlike the rest of the world, they dont have a separation of church and state, so they dont advance or even try to advance because their religion does not permit it. 

You do know that at onepoint the midle east once had the most advance civilazations, the highest persuit of knowledge, ty where at the top with banging economies. But then the advancements started questioning god and they baned everything. And ever slowly they desended into the land of religious ignorant we see today.  It was all choice.

Like you said about other religions was true hundreds of years ago, but they realized it was holding them back and they changed. They are the only people who refuse to change.  Most third world countrys that have christian majority dont behave this barbaric. the only places where women are treated by garbage is muslim countrys.

And yes, like you say, muslim in western countrys dont behave like this because the law dont permit it. they had to adjust. And now the kids who grew in the west also see it as barbaric. Because religion is barbaric, all of them, so when the country has religion first, you get barbaric people.

I strongly disagree none of the islamic countries prohibits learning or practicing other religion.. they can be racist like Saudi Arabia. This cancerous form of Islam was no where before Alqaeda and taliban, even afganistan was once upon a time booming country, heck syria iran, iraq, all of them were doing great, it is not untill these terrorist got weapons in hand.. and i dont have to tell you how they got the weapons.. so the liberal muslims were on the back foot when these illiterate muslims were going around and shooting them in the head with ak 47.

So the ignorance you see is these countries is just minority with powerful weapons dictating the action of a nation, A nation which is struggling with economy and at the same time fighting an internal war... Remeber it is the muslims who are fighting these islamic terrorists.

Speaking of oil, dont we all know which country has the most interest in it. Saudi Arabia is worst in terms of human rights.. but will UN or US will do anything about it... NOPE, not just because they supply oil, its also because major American company like Apple and banks are backed by saudi's investment.



Jesus, what a bunch of fucking primitives.



eva01beserk said:
A_C_E said:

It's the people's fault, people beat this guy to death...lol you think religion is responsible for this? Excuses, excuses. Religion and everything without free-thought cannot be inherently bad. It is up to the PEOPLE to do bad things and the parents/teachers to teach bad things. People are the root of evil act, not words or ideologies for these can't be inherently bad.

That's like saying "Cars are bad because they kill ten's of thousands of people each year"...ummmm no, the people that drive them are bad, cars are nothing but metal, they can't be inherently bad. Logic.

When someone runs over somebody, they still go to jail. If there was no jail for them or consecuenses then people would be runing over people because like you said, people at root are evil and selfish. The problem you dont want to see is that in thouse countrys, their laws enforce this awfull behaviour.  If they had a separation of church and state then you would not see this barbaric acts. its that simple.

like I said before, christianity is just as awfull, but if we did someting like killing gays for being gay, we would go to jail in the west. Trust me, if that was not the law then it would be just as bad in the west. But we left that a very long time ago and we evolved our way of thinking, wich in turn evolved out way of behaving. they have not, because they still have religion above all else manily in their law. Untill thats done with, they will always be savages.

I want to see everything, I'm not choosing to ignore evidence here. I'm not talking about what people go to jail for either, that means nothing to me.

OK, so you went from it being religions fault to the laws fault, that's an interesting tactic...

Thankfully there are still people in every counry of the world who take responsibility for their actions instead of blaming religion or ideology or words.

There have been cases in North America where an arguement broke out between two people who disputed which sports team was better than the other. One of them died as a result of that arguement that led to a fight, I guess we should get rid of sports and hey, why not get rid of free speech as well since so many arguements have escalated to death. Great logic. You see religion, sports, free speech cannot be inherently bad, it is up to the individual to create action.



Smear-Gel said:
person does something stupid:
"wow that person is stupid"

religious person does something stupid:
"religion is a disease"

Boring. People are stupid and get way into their beliefs, no matter what those are. We can condemn these stupid people without taking the easy way out and just scapegoating religion in general.

the non-religious idiots don't have a unifying ideology they are trying to enforce through violence

pretty important distinction