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bigtakilla said:
VGPolyglot said:

So, my question is, what were your thoughts on the war? Why did you join the military? What did you expect to accomplish, and how successful would you say it's been?

I joined the military because I was living in poverty, and since leaving I got a college education, a $30/hr job I love and drive a lexus.

 

As far as how I feel about war of any kind is inconsequential. I would have to know far more about them than I do. It sucks that anyone has to die, and yet if you ask me whether I would prefer going to war with North Korea or allow them to keep testing and eventually gain nuclear weapons and the ability to send them around the world, I'd say let's go to war. 

 

As far as what I expected to accomplish when I joined was simply to better my life. I'd say I done that in spades. 

Yes, that's one of the three main reasons for joining the military, it kind of sucks that you had to go to war and kill people to get out of poverty. However, I am going to be against your pro-war stance on North Korea, because as we've seen with their failed nuclear test, they're nowhere close to the threat that many people attempt to portray them as.



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VGPolyglot said:
bigtakilla said:

I joined the military because I was living in poverty, and since leaving I got a college education, a $30/hr job I love and drive a lexus.

 

As far as how I feel about war of any kind is inconsequential. I would have to know far more about them than I do. It sucks that anyone has to die, and yet if you ask me whether I would prefer going to war with North Korea or allow them to keep testing and eventually gain nuclear weapons and the ability to send them around the world, I'd say let's go to war. 

 

As far as what I expected to accomplish when I joined was simply to better my life. I'd say I done that in spades. 

Yes, that's one of the three main reasons for joining the military, it kind of sucks that you had to go to war and kill people to get out of poverty. However, I am going to be against your pro-war stance on North Korea, because as we've seen with their failed nuclear test, they're nowhere close to the threat that many people attempt to portray them as.

How close does North Korea have to get before we take the threat seriously then? I prefer to keep it in the nowhere close range. 



bigtakilla said:
VGPolyglot said:

Yes, that's one of the three main reasons for joining the military, it kind of sucks that you had to go to war and kill people to get out of poverty. However, I am going to be against your pro-war stance on North Korea, because as we've seen with their failed nuclear test, they're nowhere close to the threat that many people attempt to portray them as.

How close does North Korea have to get before we take the threat seriously then? I prefer to keep it in the nowhere close range. 

Well, then we might as well kill everyone in the world, in case any of use become a huge threat.

EDIT: Though I would not be opposed to military intervention in order to liberate the North Korean people in a theoretical/benevolent sense, teh United States is nowhere near trustworthy enough to be trusted with intervening.



VGPolyglot said:
bigtakilla said:

How close does North Korea have to get before we take the threat seriously then? I prefer to keep it in the nowhere close range. 

Well, then we might as well kill everyone in the world, in case any of use become a huge threat.

EDIT: Though I would not be opposed to military intervention in order to liberate the North Korean people in a theoretical/benevolent sense, teh United States is nowhere near trustworthy enough to be trusted with intervening.

So, Kim Jong Un actively trying to produce nuclear weapons, and "killing everyone in case they become a huge threat" is totally the same thing....

I mean, I'm sure the UN goes after everyone for crimes against humanity these days.



bigtakilla said:
VGPolyglot said:

Well, then we might as well kill everyone in the world, in case any of use become a huge threat.

EDIT: Though I would not be opposed to military intervention in order to liberate the North Korean people in a theoretical/benevolent sense, teh United States is nowhere near trustworthy enough to be trusted with intervening.

So, Kim Jong Un actively trying to produce nuclear weapons, and "killing everyone in case they become a huge threat" is totally the same thing....

I mean, I'm sure the UN goes after everyone for crimes against humanity these days.

The problem with many wars these days is that it creates ripple effects and drags people in that have chosen to not go to war. The only certainty from these wars is that some rich old men will become very wealthy. 

 

1) If NK loses its shit, it might go ahead and strike nearby countries. The US might not be affected, but China, japan, SK etc might end up with random missiles bombs being launched at them. 

 

2) It will create more terrorists since there will be hundreds maybe thousands of innocents killed in the name of collateral damage. 

 

3) justice: if nuclear threats the reason, Israel and India should have been bombed a long time ago.we cannot create one for us and another for them. There is no justification in it especially when the value of human life comes into it. 

 

4) your country will pay the price of debt, recession, cuts etc. People not wanting this in your country will get dragged into it by the way of poverty. The poor end up paying for the war the most. 

 

5) like Afghanistan, Syria, Libya, NK will probably churn up more rogue terrorist groups that will be left there. 

 

Last but not least, if nuclear power and killing innocents is a reason to invade, the world should have invaded America a long time ago. 

 

Illegal Iraq war, treatment of POW, holding prisoners without trail, kidnapping and torturing women like Afia Siddiq and violating any and every human right, bombing schools, funerals and weddings by mistake across several countries etc. 

 

There is no good that can come from wars these days. The battlefield has changed and the old idiots who take their countries to war don't bother to think about consequences since with their wealth, they can go anywhere and keep their families safe. Me, you and the other average people do not have that luxury. 



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Fei-Hung said:
bigtakilla said:

So, Kim Jong Un actively trying to produce nuclear weapons, and "killing everyone in case they become a huge threat" is totally the same thing....

I mean, I'm sure the UN goes after everyone for crimes against humanity these days.

The problem with many wars these days is that it creates ripple effects and drags people in that have chosen to not go to war. The only certainty from these wars is that some rich old men will become very wealthy. 

 

1) If NK loses its shit, it might go ahead and strike nearby countries. The US might not be affected, but China, japan, SK etc might end up with random missiles bombs being launched at them. 

 

2) It will create more terrorists since there will be hundreds maybe thousands of innocents killed in the name of collateral damage. 

 

3) justice: if nuclear threats the reason, Israel and India should have been bombed a long time ago.we cannot create one for us and another for them. There is no justification in it especially when the value of human life comes into it. 

 

4) your country will pay the price of debt, recession, cuts etc. People not wanting this in your country will get dragged into it by the way of poverty. The poor end up paying for the war the most. 

 

5) like Afghanistan, Syria, Libya, NK will probably churn up more rogue terrorist groups that will be left there. 

 

Last but not least, if nuclear power and killing innocents is a reason to invade, the world should have invaded America a long time ago. 

 

Illegal Iraq war, treatment of POW, holding prisoners without trail, kidnapping and torturing women like Afia Siddiq and violating any and every human right, bombing schools, funerals and weddings by mistake across several countries etc. 

 

There is no good that can come from wars these days. The battlefield has changed and the old idiots who take their countries to war don't bother to think about consequences since with their wealth, they can go anywhere and keep their families safe. Me, you and the other average people do not have that luxury. 

Our chain of command get changed out (or at least is able to) by vote. When we get crazy bastards in office, we can remove them. You can't remove Kim Jong. He doesn't have to go through 2 branches of government before decisions are final. As bad as the US is (and trust me, there's plenty of dirt to go around), no one here has absolute power.

And you're right, no one's a winner in war, but there is a greater of two evils. North Korea being able to use nuclear weapons across the world is an evil far greater than war.



bigtakilla said:
dukerx2 said:

100% agree

I'm just coming from 3 years deployment experience (2 years Iraq, 1 year Afghanistan). I have fought an actual middle eastern military exactly 0 times.

I cant say this enough or with the true emotion through the internet but Thank you for your service. 



I hate this. The US would attack from sea, killing possibly millions of civilians while Kim Jong Un sits comfortably in his bunker. This is the US only flexing their muscles as an excuse for having a commander in chief with bad self esteem, and once again, civilian lifes are at stake.



Bring it on. The US needs to eliminate Kim Jung-Un and then put in a puppet leader that will transform North Korea into a Capitalist economy. Go Capitalism, down with Socialist tyranny!



War is when both sides has an equal chance of winning. This ain't no war doods



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