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Aeolus451 on 10 April 2017
kopstudent89 said:
Aeolus451 said:

Yeah, I know but I literally don't care especially when the people who were the targets purposely put civilians near them and they dress as civilians themselves. People die in wars. We don't check the bomb sites to do an actual count on what was hit. They rely on the locals to give them "intel" on what was hit. It's the whole reason why militaries use uniforms and don't put military targets in populated areas. If they dress as civilians then they really can't complain about civilians getting hit. 

And why was Aleppo different? Was it because Assad and Russia were doing the bombing and not america?

And how do you know they are using civilians? Have you been there personally or do you just assume things that prove you right. Sure it might partly that but we're talking about 1000+ civilians. This is not a small number and it certainly doesn't seem accidental, if not intentional. Sure human shields are a thing but it's no excuse and it certainly isn't a few exceptions. At the very least it wasn't handled with any consideration towards them.

Wonder how you'd think if the civilians were American? Or do civilian deaths in other countries carry less weight? 1000+... 

How do you think there's so many civilians are in the bombing sites? Americans just dropping bombs on the biggest crowds, right? lol We know they dress as civilians and keep women/children near the likely places we would bomb. There's been reports about some of their tactics. I don't care if they use human shields if the target is worth the collaretal damage. Hopefully, they'll likely stop using people as shields if they realize the tactic doesn't work. If we don't bomb those particular areas then they know it's a deterant to bombing and will continue to keep doing it. Do you think that ISIS would play by our rules or have our sense of morality? Read the articles and watch the vids.

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/03/30/world/middleeast/mosul-iraq-isis-military.html?_r=0

http://www.cnn.com/2017/03/25/middleeast/iraq-mosul/     

https://sites.duke.edu/lawfire/2017/03/26/sadly-we-have-to-expect-more-civilian-casualties-if-isis-is-to-be-defeated/

I wonder where we should put a base... Lets put it in a children's hospital or maybe a mosque or by the some apartments. All good ideas.



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outlawauron on 10 April 2017
SpokenTruth said:
outlawauron said:

Well the Syrian regime has killed exponenitally more civilians than any other group in Syria. That's not twisting or spinning.

Also, I find it very odd, that Newsweek quotes Syrian  Network for Human Rights for data on deaths in Aleppo, but not for fatalities in the month of March. SNHR reported that the civilian deaths in all of Syria by all groups to be less than 1400...

For the month or what?

Yes, sorry about that.

1134 civilian deaths in the month of March by all forces. 



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VGPolyglot on 10 April 2017
contestgamer said:
1,400 isnt that many in that part of the world so I can see why it wouldn't get a lot of attention. It does suck and you dont want to see innocent people harmed, but it doesnt help to be crying over spilled milk. Even though these people may be called casualties, I believe that if you interviewed them, many if not most of them would have illiberal opinions, such as negative opinions about gay people, certain sexist beliefs and beliefs about religious supremacy. So they're really not that innocent - they may not have committed a crime - but the beliefs of what is likely a majority of these casualties makes them less than 'innocent' IMO.

OK, so since 1,400 isn't that many, I guess we should shut up about all terrorist attacks in the west, then?



Aeolus451 on 10 April 2017
VGPolyglot said:
Aeolus451 said:

I looked around for a good gif for a bit to go with the topic of this thread and here ya go.

Here's my general reaction to the topic. 

Yes, I already knew that you didn't give a shit about innocent people dying.

You're being so emotional that it's clouding the logical side of your brain. Read some of my other comments to why I don't care about human shields.



the_dark_lewd on 10 April 2017
VGPolyglot said:
betacon said:

What about Islamic terrorists over all, they don't just target the west.....

And the US doesn't just target Islamic countries, either. Chile, Guatemala, Nicaragua, etc.

 

That was a complete non-sequitur. You tried to use this to explain terrorism. Betacon pointed out that most islamic terrorism is actually not directed at the west. 

Pointing out that the US has tangled in south american countries is not even remotely a response to that.

You're trying to play moral point scoring. It's a completely fallacious way of reasoning. The US doing terrible things does not for one second stop making radical Islam also terrible. It still is.



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VGPolyglot on 10 April 2017
Aeolus451 said:
VGPolyglot said:

Yes, I already knew that you didn't give a shit about innocent people dying.

You're being so emotional that it's clouding the logical side of your brain. Read some of my other comments to why I don't care about human shields.

Yeah, I know why you don't care about human shields, it's because you're not being the shield. If you were, I'm pretty sure you'd care.



Aeolus451 on 10 April 2017
VGPolyglot said:
Aeolus451 said:

You're being so emotional that it's clouding the logical side of your brain. Read some of my other comments to why I don't care about human shields.

Yeah, I know why you don't care about human shields, it's because you're not being the shield. If you were, I'm pretty sure you'd care.

Stop the sob story and perhaps enlighten yourself with those articles I posted. How would you, the knight in shining armor fight people who will use women and children as shields while they kill many people? Go cry in a pillow or something. 

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VGPolyglot on 10 April 2017
Aeolus451 said:
VGPolyglot said:

Yeah, I know why you don't care about human shields, it's because you're not being the shield. If you were, I'm pretty sure you'd care.

Stop the sob story and perahps enlighten yourself with those articles I posted. How would you, the knight in shining armor fight people who will use women and children as shields while they kill many people? Go cry in a pillow or something. 

Again, as I said, you don't care because it's not you. It's as simple as that.



Aeolus451 on 10 April 2017
SpokenTruth said:
Aeolus451 said:

Stop the sob story and perhaps enlighten yourself with those articles I posted. How would you, the knight in shining armor fight people who will use women and children as shields while they kill many people? Go cry in a pillow or something. 

You attack them financially.  Cutt off their funds.  Cut off their communication mediums.  Cut off their access to fuel.  Attack their leaders with infiltration and special forces.

We'd win in a few days.  The fact we do not do this tells me we have no administrative interst in actually winning any wars.  Not enough profit in a 3 day war.

*Shrugs Trying to change the subject?



contestgamer on 10 April 2017
SpokenTruth said:
contestgamer said:

I dont consider it conservative, I consider it intolerant and inferior. Any beliefs that impose negative consequences on a follow human being is not equal to a belief that promotes tolerance and equality between people regardless of race, sex or religion. Believing that gays should be jailed to me is not a valid belief, it's a crime against gays and isn't equal to a belief that promotes equality. So if you believe in denying a full life to others then your own life becomes less deserving.

Tell that to him.

 

 

It happens. It sucks, but it happens, you gotta accept some collateral damage otherwise you lose the will to fight. And the ones we're fighting don't give a damn about collateral damage.