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RX480 can only pass 8bit color depth over HDMI...meaning no HDR10 ....lack of UHD player and not accounting for the OS, peripherals or a similar small form factor....making these system builder comparo's silly since you can't achieve tit for tat.

Sure for a desktop setup its decent, but in 2017 you shouldn't set your goals so low as to using an AM3 platform with PCIE 2.0 just to hit a Scorpio price point. Might want an SSD in there to wake a dinosaur up at a decent time too.

Anyway you slice it you end up paying more ,the experience is not as consistent, not to mention aimed at different use case scenarios. Most folk don't want to deal with a cumbersome PC in their livingroom that they can't properly on/shutoff like you can from your controller (its a luxury, lets face it...), need a wireless keyboard to get into windows and navigate a client, deal with Anti virus and driver kernel crashes,  etc...that's why there's a console market in the first place.



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Lawlight said:
HoloDust said:
This was second link on "Scorpio equivalent PC" search:

https://pcpartpicker.com/user/link9933/saved/#view=phrf7P

~ $560...at the moment.

No OS or controller. Also, I don't think that Scorpio will run RotTR at 23fps on 4k.

Not my list really, mine is actually bit later down the line...same price though. No OS, since MS has no to minimal cost of putting it on Scorpio...true for controller, so some $30 more.

Anyway, as I said before, my understanding of the thread is figuring out how much similar tech to Scorpio would cost, so we can guesstimate its price....alas, as per usual, it went astray.



caffeinade said:
Kerotan said:

 

 

Yeah I have to agree with this.  The optimisations on console games is the really big plus.  Developers know exactly what people will have and that makes it much easier on them. 

One big upside to the PC is free online, and a wealth of exclusives (mostly smaller, niche titles, but good games in their own right).
Over the course of a generation, the money you save on not paying for online, almost buys you your next PC / upgrade.

While that's good the free games and extra discounts I get for ps plus sales more then makes up for it. The general sales are awesome on Playstation now too and software is super cheap if you're on a budget. 

 

There are also way too many exclusives that either never come to PC or take years and as a gamer that makes ps4 a must for me. 

 

Both are good platforms though and ultimately you're better off having both a pc and a ps4 like me. 



zero129 said:
Lawlight said:

No OS or controller. Also, I don't think that Scorpio will run RotTR at 23fps on 4k.

Thats with everything on Ultra settings. Put it at the settings it would most likely be running at on the Scorpio and it will run 4K@30fps no problem with room to spare.

Interesting that it only runs RotTR at an average of 44.2fps on high at 1440p:

http://www.trustedreviews.com/amd-radeon-rx-480-review-performance-overclocking-and-page-2#tr-review-summary

In any case, $565.49 + shipping for the different components + Controller + mouse + KB + OS + labour. We're looking at $750 to $800.



Lawlight said:
zero129 said:

Thats with everything on Ultra settings. Put it at the settings it would most likely be running at on the Scorpio and it will run 4K@30fps no problem with room to spare.

Interesting that it only runs RotTR at an average of 44.2fps on high at 1440p:

http://www.trustedreviews.com/amd-radeon-rx-480-review-performance-overclocking-and-page-2#tr-review-summary

In any case, $565.49 + shipping for the different components + Controller + mouse + KB + OS + labour. We're looking at $750 to $800.

Seems that you are, as well as most people in this thread, missing the point....since OP seems to be AWOL, I'll simply quote it:

"How Much Would a PC Cost with Specs similar to Scorpio.

Could help us figure out the price of the system."

This is not really about whether particular PC build will be faster, slower or as fast as Scorpio, this is about the price of PC with similar tech and similar performance, so that Scorpio's price can be extrapolated (RX580 actually replaces all those 480s in lists, it is about to launch in a week, it's 6.17TFLOP beefed up RX480, and will most likely replace RX480 at $239 price point).

As I said before, comparing tech and PC prices, I think Scorpio will be $449, if MS gets cocky they will go with $499.



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People tend to cheap out when making their builds and excluding much needed things like the OS.

I'd rather build a solid and long lasting PC than cheap out for the sake of undercutting the price of a console. My PS4 equivalent PC cost me £800 in 2015.



Mafioso said:

I'm an Nvidia fan, actually Team Green all the way. I simply don't buy AMD GPU's, much to do with the fact that i have a large 3DVision catalog i still like to go back to.

I have owned AMD GPU's going on decades. Even before they were technically GPU's.
But I don't get what you are trying to convey by stating your personal brand preference?


Mafioso said:

Scorpio is packing some smart engineering for a small form factor solution though, and i have no doubt it will serve my 4K HDR TV well with those console games. We'll have to have the games IQ do the talking when they actually come out, but seems all is there for developers to put forth a nice balance of eye candy at 4K w/ HDR. Of course not everything can be native 4K, i pressume dynamic scaling (not checkerbaord) will be preferred solution when otherwise to maintain higher IQ settings and framerate.

I'm not disputing that.

 

Mafioso said:

The GTX1060 argument is a funny one though. As a GTX780 owner that on these very forums was told that it wasn't up to snuff for 4K gaming when i used it as an example of 4K med/high capable i in the past following Scorpio's early spec unveil at E3(even though i did plenty of it at high settings), now a comparable 1060 is a better 4K alternative than what is in Scorpio ? If one is arguing a 1060 can do 4K, then one is arguing the Scorpio is adept for 4K also. 

4K it is. Glad that's out of the way...lol

I am using the Geforce 1060 as a reference point because we don't have all the details about Scorpio. In-case you aren't aware the only grounding point we have is Forza at 4k, 60fps with Xbox One levels of visuals with some processing to spare.
The Geforce 1060 can achieve exactly that as well. That isn't even up for debate.

Do I expect for there to be Scorpio games that run and look better than Forza? Shit yes. And I will take a look at those technical achievements when they have arrived.

But right now, with the examples that Microsoft has provided (Forza) it's nothing a Geforce 1060 can't handle. I'm not going to delve into what-if's or ad-homien.

Kerotan said:

While that's good the free games and extra discounts I get for ps plus sales more then makes up for it. The general sales are awesome on Playstation now too and software is super cheap if you're on a budget.

Have you not ever seen a Steam sale? It's far more substantual than anything you see on console.

Kerotan said:

There are also way too many exclusives that either never come to PC or take years and as a gamer that makes ps4 a must for me. 

You do realise the PC also has exclusives? Every platform does.



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1.) I don't understand why people are still putting in blu-ray in their builds when no PC user uses it other than for pirating movies, that cost doesn't exist on PCs lol.

2.) By the time the Scorpio comes out, the older AMD CPU and Motherboards will be even cheaper due to generation change.

3.) New GPUs will be out by the time the Scorpio comes out, rendering this thread utterly pointless because you'll get something more powerful at the price points we are at right now.

4.) I haven't paid for Windows since uh, 1994? I can't even fucking remember. Yet I still ended up with all legit copies of Windows 10 Pro, so I don't know wtf you guys are doing with that one.

5.) My price list is pretty accurate yet nobody talks about it. No to mention, what I mentioned above will follow on the list, making it even cheaper or more powerful(pick one) by the time the Scorpio is out.

6.) The functionality of a PC will always be more than a console, don't buy a fucking PC purely for gaming, that's wtf, get consoles if that's all you do.

7.) Get a fucking Switch you maggots, it's awesome.



dahuman said:
1.) I don't understand why people are still putting in blu-ray in their builds when no PC user uses it other than for pirating movies, that cost doesn't exist on PCs lol.

2.) By the time the Scorpio comes out, the older AMD CPU and Motherboards will be even cheaper due to generation change.

3.) New GPUs will be out by the time the Scorpio comes out, rendering this thread utterly pointless because you'll get something more powerful at the price points we are at right now.

4.) I haven't paid for Windows since uh, 1994? I can't even fucking remember. Yet I still ended up with all legit copies of Windows 10 Pro, so I don't know wtf you guys are doing with that one.

5.) My price list is pretty accurate yet nobody talks about it. No to mention, what I mentioned above will follow on the list, making it even cheaper or more powerful(pick one) by the time the Scorpio is out.

6.) The functionality of a PC will always be more than a console, don't buy a fucking PC purely for gaming, that's wtf, get consoles if that's all you do.

7.) Get a fucking Switch you maggots, it's awesome.

I have a 4k tv. But I dont wach tv shows or movies or have ever even touched th smart fetures, I do nothing but game on it. Did I waste my money on it cuz im not using it to its fullest. Heck im not even playing much of my ps4pro games on it, just been playing my switch at like 900p for zelda. I think is safe to say that people are allowed to buy something for a specific purpouse even if it can do a lot more.



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Updated PC.. now that the Ryzen 5 CPU's are available.

A tad more expensive at $650 for base unit. I changed some stuff around and added a single stick of 8GB ram and a better/high quality PSU; for better upgrade path. Should be comparable to Scorpio out of the box - for games.