People tend to cheap out when making their builds and excluding much needed things like the OS.

I'd rather build a solid and long lasting PC than cheap out for the sake of undercutting the price of a console. My PS4 equivalent PC cost me £800 in 2015.

I have owned AMD GPU's going on decades. Even before they were technically GPU's.
But I don't get what you are trying to convey by stating your personal brand preference?

I'm not disputing that.

I am using the Geforce 1060 as a reference point because we don't have all the details about Scorpio. In-case you aren't aware the only grounding point we have is Forza at 4k, 60fps with Xbox One levels of visuals with some processing to spare.
The Geforce 1060 can achieve exactly that as well. That isn't even up for debate.

Do I expect for there to be Scorpio games that run and look better than Forza? Shit yes. And I will take a look at those technical achievements when they have arrived.

But right now, with the examples that Microsoft has provided (Forza) it's nothing a Geforce 1060 can't handle. I'm not going to delve into what-if's or ad-homien.

Have you not ever seen a Steam sale? It's far more substantual than anything you see on console.

You do realise the PC also has exclusives? Every platform does.

1.) I don't understand why people are still putting in blu-ray in their builds when no PC user uses it other than for pirating movies, that cost doesn't exist on PCs lol.

2.) By the time the Scorpio comes out, the older AMD CPU and Motherboards will be even cheaper due to generation change.

3.) New GPUs will be out by the time the Scorpio comes out, rendering this thread utterly pointless because you'll get something more powerful at the price points we are at right now.

4.) I haven't paid for Windows since uh, 1994? I can't even fucking remember. Yet I still ended up with all legit copies of Windows 10 Pro, so I don't know wtf you guys are doing with that one.

5.) My price list is pretty accurate yet nobody talks about it. No to mention, what I mentioned above will follow on the list, making it even cheaper or more powerful(pick one) by the time the Scorpio is out.

6.) The functionality of a PC will always be more than a console, don't buy a fucking PC purely for gaming, that's wtf, get consoles if that's all you do.

7.) Get a fucking Switch you maggots, it's awesome.

dahuman said: 1.) I don't understand why people are still putting in blu-ray in their builds when no PC user uses it other than for pirating movies, that cost doesn't exist on PCs lol. 2.) By the time the Scorpio comes out, the older AMD CPU and Motherboards will be even cheaper due to generation change. 3.) New GPUs will be out by the time the Scorpio comes out, rendering this thread utterly pointless because you'll get something more powerful at the price points we are at right now. 4.) I haven't paid for Windows since uh, 1994? I can't even fucking remember. Yet I still ended up with all legit copies of Windows 10 Pro, so I don't know wtf you guys are doing with that one. 5.) My price list is pretty accurate yet nobody talks about it. No to mention, what I mentioned above will follow on the list, making it even cheaper or more powerful(pick one) by the time the Scorpio is out. 6.) The functionality of a PC will always be more than a console, don't buy a fucking PC purely for gaming, that's wtf, get consoles if that's all you do. 7.) Get a fucking Switch you maggots, it's awesome.

I have a 4k tv. But I dont wach tv shows or movies or have ever even touched th smart fetures, I do nothing but game on it. Did I waste my money on it cuz im not using it to its fullest. Heck im not even playing much of my ps4pro games on it, just been playing my switch at like 900p for zelda. I think is safe to say that people are allowed to buy something for a specific purpouse even if it can do a lot more.

Updated PC.. now that the Ryzen 5 CPU's are available.

A tad more expensive at $650 for base unit. I changed some stuff around and added a single stick of 8GB ram and a better/high quality PSU; for better upgrade path. Should be comparable to Scorpio out of the box - for games.

eva01beserk said: dahuman said: 1.) I don't understand why people are still putting in blu-ray in their builds when no PC user uses it other than for pirating movies, that cost doesn't exist on PCs lol. 2.) By the time the Scorpio comes out, the older AMD CPU and Motherboards will be even cheaper due to generation change. 3.) New GPUs will be out by the time the Scorpio comes out, rendering this thread utterly pointless because you'll get something more powerful at the price points we are at right now. 4.) I haven't paid for Windows since uh, 1994? I can't even fucking remember. Yet I still ended up with all legit copies of Windows 10 Pro, so I don't know wtf you guys are doing with that one. 5.) My price list is pretty accurate yet nobody talks about it. No to mention, what I mentioned above will follow on the list, making it even cheaper or more powerful(pick one) by the time the Scorpio is out. 6.) The functionality of a PC will always be more than a console, don't buy a fucking PC purely for gaming, that's wtf, get consoles if that's all you do. 7.) Get a fucking Switch you maggots, it's awesome. I have a 4k tv. But I dont wach tv shows or movies or have ever even touched th smart fetures, I do nothing but game on it. Did I waste my money on it cuz im not using it to its fullest. Heck im not even playing much of my ps4pro games on it, just been playing my switch at like 900p for zelda. I think is safe to say that people are allowed to buy something for a specific purpouse even if it can do a lot more.

No because 4k is future proof, blu ray on PC never had a future to start with lol, BAM logic!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hTnFKwK_DaQ

I guess that putting in that 580 in the builds is not an option anymore.

Well (apart from linking DF instead of some proper review site like Anandtech or Guru3D), 580 is behaving exactly as expected, 8-10% faster then 480 at $229. So that's pretty much what all 580 builds are supposed to behave like.