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Top Star Wars Movie?

A New Hope 11 12.79%
 
Empire Strikes Back 43 50.00%
 
Return of the Jedi 2 2.33%
 
The Phantom Menace 0 0%
 
Attack of the Clones 0 0%
 
Revenge of the Sith 9 10.47%
 
The Force Awakens 1 1.16%
 
Rogue One 9 10.47%
 
The Star Wars Holiday Special 5 5.81%
 
See results 6 6.98%
 
Total:86
Veknoid_Outcast said:

I cannot focus at work today, so I decided to compose a list of the Star Wars movies. Because that's what I do when I'm bored  

I recently rewatched all seven mainline movies, and the spin-off Rogue One. Here are my thoughts.

 

8) Episode II: Attack of the Clones
What to say about this most ignominious Star Wars movie? It inherited all of the negatives of Episode I — wooden acting, lazy direction, stilted writing — then moved further away from practical effects and added arguably the most unconvincing, awkward romance in cinematic history. George Lucas makes one of his largest prequel blunders by pitting an army of disposable droids against an army of disposable clones, creating a scenario when it's difficult to care about either side.

7) Episode I: The Phantom Menace
From the very beginning of The Phantom Menace, red flags abound. The taxation of trade routes seems like a strange entree to a space opera. The audience soon meets several bland, forgettable characters and one profoundly annoying character, Jar-Jar Binks. By its mid-way point, the movie is buried under contrivances, plot holes, forced cameos, and unremarkable performances. A 12-minute-long pod race is a highlight, but its only meaningful addition to the story is to provide a flimsy pretext to separate young Anakin from his mother.

6) Episode III: Revenge of the Sith
The best of the three prequels, basically by default. Child actors are removed, boring political debates are tossed out (replaced by transparent allusions to Bush-era war-mongering), and there are actually, finally, stakes. The first act of the movie is a weird, tonally-incongruous space battle with a new inexplicable villain, General Grievous. After that, things get a little better, with Anakin's slow descent into anger and fear. Hayden Christensen does the best with the material and direction given him. As with the previous prequel movies, Lucas shows himself far more invested in special effects than encouraging his human actors.

5) Rogue One
This latest Star Wars movie is only slightly better than the prequel trilogy. Since everyone knows the ending of the story of Rogue One, the filmmakers needed to introduce sympathetic characters and genuine emotion to make the adventure worthwhile. Unfortuantely, the most interesting character in the movie is the comic-relief droid. The others are almost instantly forgettable. Apart from a truly spectacular space battle at the end of the movie, Rogue One doesn't add much of all to the Star Wars universe. It's a movie full of fan service — Hey, there's the rebel base! Look, it's Ponda Baba! — and cringe-worthy digital cameos, but lacking in what makes Star Wars so magical: a sense of wonder and adventure and joy.

4) Episode VI: Return of the Jedi
Following up the best Star Wars movie was always going to be tough, but the creative minds behind Return of the Jedi did an admirable job. The first act is spectacular, with Luke Skywalker and friends staging a daring rescue of Han Solo from Jabba the Hutt's palace. Quieter moments later on are equally compelling: Luke confronting Obi-Wan over his prevarication, Vader gripping Luke's lightsaber with a mix of pride and internal conflict, Leia recalling her mother's face and Luke regretting never meeting her. The third act, with its focus on Ewoks and Hamill's overacting, is the shakiest, but it's rescued by a breathless chase through the core of the Death Star and Vader's dramatic decision to protect his son at the expense of his master and his own life.

3) Episode VII: The Force Awakens
Apart from suffering from a serious case of deja vu, The Force Awakens was a triumphant return to form after three poorly-made prequels. Yes, the movie relies on many of the beats of A New Hope, but unlike Rogue One, it makes up for all the call-backs and allusions by introducing complicated, sympathetic characters. There's Rey, a naturally gifted mechanic and linguist who's suffering under the delusion that her family will return for her. There's Finn, a turncoat Stormtrooper who's torn between self-preservation and loyalty to Rey. And there's Kylo Renn, a brooding, uncomfortable young man struggling with his family legacy and his desire for control. Director J.J. Abrams embraces practical effects whenever possible, giving the movie texture, and, with the help of Empire screeenwriter Lawrence Kasdan, pens a script full of humor and genuine emotion.

2) Episode IV: A New Hope
It's a classic for a reason. Inspired by Flash Gordon, The Hidden Fortress, and Joseph Campbell's The Hero with a Thousand Faces, A New Hope is a story immediately understandable and relatable. A young man fulfills his destiny to rescue a princess and save the galaxy. Filled with ground-breaking special effects and sound design work, set to an all-time great musical score, injected with humor and suspense, and starring arguably the most memorable movie villain of all time, Star Wars is a movie for the ages.

1) Episode V: The Empire Strikes Back
A movie's identity is wrapped up with its director, and so Empire Strikes Back, the best of the saga, shares the vision of Irvin Kershner, who said famously "I like to fill up the frame with the characters' faces. There's nothing more interesting than the landscape of the human face." Thus Empire moved past the pulp origins of Star Wars and became a dramatic and emotional movie about real people, set in space. Sure, there's plenty of action in Empire  an armored assault on Echo Base, a high-risk escape through an asteroid field  but what makes Empire special is its more humble character development moments. Luke's training with Yoda is the emotional and philosophical center of the movie, with the budding romance between Han and Leia setting up incredibly romantic and, eventually in Cloud City, heart-breakingly somber scenes. The climactic scene with Vader's revelation and Luke's subsequent decision to destroy himself rather than turn is perhaps the defining moment of the entire Star Wars saga.

 

That's my list! What's yours?

Normally I wouldn't have read another "rank Star Wars", but then I saw it was you and was very curious haha

I can report that the trend of us seeming to share most opinions is mostly intact. List below:

1. Empire Strikes Back
2. A New Hope
3. Return of the Jedi
4. Revenge of the Sith
5. Force Awakens
6. Rogue One
7. Phantom Menace
8. Attack of the Clones

While unsurprisingly the top two are the same, I'd have bumped Revenge of the Sith up to #4 as it (to me) seems to be the closest to a traditional Star Wars movie  of the prequels while being fairly original and epic.

Something recently occured to me and I've since liked to ask people this question: "If the first two prequel movies didn't exist and Revenge of the Sith was a stand alone, would you think more favorably of it?"

I think it being linked to the other two has tainted it to an extent in all of our minds. While it's certainly not a great movie, the music was wonderful (as always), the visuals amazing, the story was actually interesting, the plot was almost entirely character-focused (finally), and it was mostly well acted (I never much cared for Jackson as Windu but he was ok here, and Hayden honestly did a great job for once during his fall to the dark side). Otherwise, it did the ongoing Skywalker saga justice, actually got me emotionally invested at times (seeing Obi Wan and Padme's heartbreak was legitimately painful), and was really its own unique movie within the franchise, not recycling much for the most part (no murder spheres to explode? Wtf?)

In my opinion, the first two films in the prequel trilogy almost feel unnecessary to the story; all we really needed was Revenge of the Sith, and I think it would have been better received if it was the first and last of Star Wars we saw at the time. It's no original trilogy classic, but it was enjoyable on its own.

Otherwise, I think the Return of the Jedi's reputation suffered a tad unfairly over the years as it spent so much time sitting beside two all time classics as the "third" Star Wars movie that didn't quite live up to the crazy standards of the first two. While the second death star certainly seemed a bit lazy, I'm rather glad for it as the third film provided what was easily the best and most exciting space battle I've seen up until the recent Rogue One. While it can seem a bit oddly paced, the settings, scenes, and characters were just so incredibly iconic and inventive (Jabba who up until then was a cut scene of a fat dude, his palace where we really see just how much Luke has matured, the Gamorans, the Rancor, the Saarlac pit, Admiral Akbar, Lando's redemption, the battle of endor and space battle of endor, the awesome speeder bike scene and so forth) that, unlike most of the other films, a huge amount of Star War's identity would be lost were this film to vanish.

Besides that, one of film's greatest villains (Darth Vader) finally received some character development, and I can honestly say it was handled more smoothly and convincing via nothing more than head tilting and a few sentences than the entirety of the prequel trilogy lol... Aside from that, it has my favorite lightsabre fight at the end of the film, where the sheer emotional weight and importance of the moment and realistic steps and strikes set to that epic-as-always John Williams music still give me chills and impress me far more than any cgi sommersaults could. 

It's certainly a little cheesier than the previous two and merchandising was obviously a high priority, but as far as capping off two all time classics goes Return of the Jedi was wonderful. While there may be parts that adults have trouble taking seriously it really just had that campiness that most of the best, fun movies of the 80's (such as the Indiana Jones films) had, and I suspect most people don't even realize how many of their favorite characters, species, visuals, vehicles, settings, scenes and so forth from Star Wars either originated or were highlighted in Return of the Jedi. For me, it is easily #3.

To quickly comment on the other changes, Force Awakens definitely captured the atmosphere and feel of Star Wars, but I can honestly say I've seen remakes that borrowed less from the film it was recreating than this "sequel" borrowed from past films. I honestly don't remember an original moment or scene in that movie. Thankfully, I love the cast and their characters, the visuals were amazing, and while all of the events were basically carbon copies of scenes from past Star Wars movies, the trajectory of this story certainly has potential. Besides, by having essentially plagiarized every scene imaginable from the past Star Wars films I think it basically requires that they do something new in the next one, right? :D

Finally, Rogue One was, if I'm honest, mostly a boring film. They never really fleshed out any of the characters, the characters themselves were generally bland and rarely (if ever) showed any emotional investment in the moment, and quite a few bizarrely weird things happened that made next to no sense (mind-reading octopus? It makes people go insane, except that apparently it doesn't?). What made the movie for me (and apparently for most), then, were the many fun references to past Star Wars characters, and the incredible battle scenes that are easily the best in the franchise. Cap that off with us finally getting to see film's most badass villain being the unstoppable badass we all KNEW he was but hadn't actually yet SEEN was amazing; seriously, I'd see the movie just for that last Darth Vader seen. So yes, it's a forgettable cast of characters and a forgettable story, but those battles and the Vader scene bumped it up from disappointment to worth watching; I just think I may employ the scene skip button on occasion in future watchings lol

 

Still though, we seem to have pretty similar opinions.



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I think Star Wars is a highly overrated franchise. I enjoyed A New Hope the most, I think that was a very fresh and original movie. Good introduction to the universe and the characters are used really well. Empire Strikes Back is almost as good. The rest I don't really care for. I even avoided Rouge One completely.



Miguel_Zorro said:

1) Episode IV: A New Hope
2) Episode V: The Empire Strikes Back
3) Episode VI: Return of the Jedi
4) Episode VII: The Force Awakens
5) The Clone Wars Cartoon Series
6) Episode III: Revenge of the Sith
7) Episode II: Attack of the Clones
8) Episode I: The Phanthom Menace

I haven't seen Rogue One.  But I've heard good things about it.

I wouldn't expect to have a fun-throughout-experience that is generally expected of Star Wars with Rogue One... in fact, it's often rather boring and the characters aren't particularly interesting. But if you can rent it the battle scenes and closing Darth Vader scene make the whole movie worth it in my opinion lol



Veknoid_Outcast said:

Pretty close!

When I originally watched TFA I placed it behind Jedi but after a Jedi rewatch I shuffled things up.

Jedi is the most uneven Star Wars film. It has Endor and the second death star which is junk, then it has Jabba and my favorite Star Wars moment, the final Vader vs. Luke battle.  That duel is so much better than any amount of coreogrpahy or special effects could achieve.  I was riveted as a kid and it still draws me in to this day.

I'd say Force Awakens is similar in that regard. I rewatched it recently and I actually really like it until they get to Han (he's fine) and felt like the film fell apart with Rathtars, Maz, Snoke.  I actually really liked Rey until everything came so easy for her (languages, piloting, mind control, light sabre wielding) started to add up that she became less relatable.  I also found Phasma a wasted opportunity and the Star Killer base killing billions had no impact and its destruction felt predictable.

To me Star Wars is about characters and the original had that in spades. I cared about them and their stories. I may come to really like Rey, Finn, Poe, and hopefully some new other characters.  As for now, they are simply potential yet to be realized.



Sweet list. Coincidentally I've started to rewatch the entire thing recently. I've seen them all so many times though that I'm pretty sure about my order;

8; The Phantom Menace
7; Attack of the Clones
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6; Revenge of the Sith
5; The Force Awakens
4; Rogue One
3; Return of the Jedi
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2; The Empire Strikes Back
1; A New Hope

I'm not counting the Clone Wars animated movie. That one, didn't happen. Also, the gap between Attack of the Clones and Revenge of the Sith is pretty big, the latter's actually a good movie an much underrated. Rogue One was amazing, totally surprising. Not surprising that I would like it, but surprising that I would like it this much. The gap between that one and Return of the Jedi is minor. Empire and A New Hope are still easily the best.



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Augen said:
Veknoid_Outcast said:

Pretty close!

When I originally watched TFA I placed it behind Jedi but after a Jedi rewatch I shuffled things up.

Jedi is the most uneven Star Wars film. It has Endor and the second death star which is junk, then it has Jabba and my favorite Star Wars moment, the final Vader vs. Luke battle.  That duel is so much better than any amount of coreogrpahy or special effects could achieve.  I was riveted as a kid and it still draws me in to this day.

I'd say Force Awakens is similar in that regard. I rewatched it recently and I actually really like it until they get to Han (he's fine) and felt like the film fell apart with Rathtars, Maz, Snoke.  I actually really liked Rey until everything came so easy for her (languages, piloting, mind control, light sabre wielding) started to add up that she became less relatable.  I also found Phasma a wasted opportunity and the Star Killer base killing billions had no impact and its destruction felt predictable.

To me Star Wars is about characters and the original had that in spades. I cared about them and their stories. I may come to really like Rey, Finn, Poe, and hopefully some new other characters.  As for now, they are simply potential yet to be realized.

I've always thought of Return of the Jedi as a series of short stories lol

The pacing is weird, but there's just so many iconic characters, equipment, visuals, scenes, lines and so forth from that one that I just adore it. It's not quite up to the standard of the first two, but it's a hugely fun ride throughout. Perhaps the next film will change this, but Return of the Jedi is a solid #3 for me, and I think its reputation has suffered in large part due to being grouped with two films that generally rank on "all time top films" lists.



Hey! These are correct! I do think it's important to point out how big of a quality gap there is between Episode 3 and Rogue One though.



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Johnw1104 said:

Normally I wouldn't have read another "rank Star Wars", but then I saw it was you and was very curious haha

I can report that the trend of us seeming to share most opinions is mostly intact. List below:

1. Empire Strikes Back
2. A New Hope
3. Return of the Jedi
4. Revenge of the Sith
5. Force Awakens
6. Rogue One
7. Phantom Menace
8. Attack of the Clones

While unsurprisingly the top two are the same, I'd have bumped Revenge of the Sith up to #4 as it (to me) seems to be the closest to a traditional Star Wars movie  of the prequels while being fairly original and epic.

Something recently occured to me and I've since liked to ask people this question: "If the first two prequel movies didn't exist and Revenge of the Sith was a stand alone, would you think more favorably of it?"

I think it being linked to the other two has tainted it to an extent in all of our minds. While it's certainly not a great movie, the music was wonderful (as always), the visuals amazing, the story was actually interesting, the plot was almost entirely character-focused (finally), and it was mostly well acted (I never much cared for Jackson as Windu but he was ok here, and Hayden honestly did a great job for once during his fall to the dark side). Otherwise, it did the ongoing Skywalker saga justice, actually got me emotionally invested at times (seeing Obi Wan and Padme's heartbreak was legitimately painful), and was really its own unique movie within the franchise, not recycling much for the most part (no murder spheres to explode? Wtf?)

In my opinion, the first two films in the prequel trilogy almost feel unnecessary to the story; all we really needed was Revenge of the Sith, and I think it would have been better received if it was the first and last of Star Wars we saw at the time. It's no original trilogy classic, but it was enjoyable on its own.

Otherwise, I think the Return of the Jedi's reputation suffered a tad unfairly over the years as it spent so much time sitting beside two all time classics as the "third" Star Wars movie that didn't quite live up to the crazy standards of the first two. While the second death star certainly seemed a bit lazy, I'm rather glad for it as the third film provided what was easily the best and most exciting space battle I've seen up until the recent Rogue One. While it can seem a bit oddly paced, the settings, scenes, and characters were just so incredibly iconic and inventive (Jaba, his palace where we really see just how much Luke has matured, the Gamorans, the Rancor, the Saarlac pit, Admiral Akbar, Lando's redemption, the battle of endor and space battle of endor, the awesome speeder bike scene and so forth) that, unlike most of the other films, a huge amount of Star War's identity would be lost were this film to vanish.

Besides that, one of film's greatest villains (Darth Vader) finally received some character development, and I can honestly say it was handled more smoothly and convincing via nothing more than head tilting and a few sentences than the entirety of the prequel trilogy lol... Aside from that, it has my favorite lightsabre fight at the end of the film, where the sheer emotional weight and importance of the moment and realistic steps and strikes still give me chills and impress me far more than any cgi sommersaults could.

It's certainly a little cheesier than the previous two and merchandising was obviously a high priority, but as far as capping off two all time classics goes Return of the Jedi was wonderful. While there may be parts that adults have trouble taking seriously it really just had that campiness that most of the best, fun movies of the 80's (such as the Indiana Jones films) had, and I suspect most people don't even realize how many of their favorite characters, species, visuals, vehicles, settings, scenes and so forth from Star Wars either originated or were highlighted in Return of the Jedi. For me, it is easily #3.

To quickly comment on the other changes, Force Awakens definitely captured the atmosphere and feel of Star Wars, but I can honestly say I've seen remakes that borrowed less from the film it was recreating than this "sequel" borrowed from past films. I honestly don't remember an original moment or scene in that movie. Thankfully, I love the cast and their characters, the visuals were amazing, and while all of the events were basically carbon copies of scenes from past Star Wars movies, the trajectory of this story certainly has potential. Besides, by having essentially plagiarized every scene imaginable from the past Star Wars films I think it basically requires that they do something new in the next one, right? :D

Finally, Rogue One was, if I'm honest, mostly a boring film. They never really fleshed out any of the characters, the characters themselves were generally bland and rarely (if ever) showed any emotional investment in the moment, and quite a few bizarrely weird things happened that made next to no sense (mind-reading octopus? It makes people go insane, except that apparently it doesn't?). What made the movie for me (and apparently for most), then, were the many fun references to past Star Wars characters, and the incredible battle scenes that are easily the best in the franchise. Cap that off with us finally getting to see film's most badass villain being the unstoppable badass we all KNEW he was but hadn't actually yet SEEN was amazing; seriously, I'd see the movie just for that last Darth Vader seen. So yes, it's a forgettable cast of characters and a forgettable story, but those battles and the Vader scene bumped it up from disappointment to worth watching; I just think I may employ the scene skip button on occasion in future watchings lol

 

Still though, we seem to have pretty similar opinions.

I think you pretty much nailed it. I'm still not a big fan of Sith but I agree it's an improvement over the first two. What really hurts it for me is Anakin's turn to the dark side, which is less a seduction and more of a trick. The greatest movie villain ever being tricked into murdering children based on a vague promise of immortality? Never sat right with me. Also, that fight scene on Mustafar went on like 20 minutes too long. I'd rather take the poorly choreographed fight on the first Death Star between Ben and Anakin 18 years later.

Jedi is a worthy conclusion to the original trilogy for sure. I just think it loses its way a bit on the sanctuary moon. I totallty agree on the greatness of the final duel between Luke and Vader. Luke losing his shit and attacking Vader when he feels Leia is threatened. And then the look down at the mechanical hand, the throwing away of the saber, and the line that gives me goosebumps every time: "I am a Jedi, like my father before me." So good.

I agree that TFA's greatest sin is its cribbing of the story from Episode IV, but the journey was so fun and the characters so engaging that I was able to look past the similarities.

Finally, I agree on Rogue One. For me, it was boring. The characters and conflicts were unbelievable or uninteresting. Great action, for sure.



Johnw1104 said:

I've always thought of Return of the Jedi as a series of short stories lol

The pacing is weird, but there's just so many iconic characters, equipment, visuals, scenes, lines and so forth from that one that I just adore it. It's not quite up to the standard of the first two, but it's a hugely fun ride throughout. Perhaps the next film will change this, but Return of the Jedi is a solid #3 for me, and I think its reputation has suffered in large part due to being grouped with two films that generally rank on "all time top films" lists.

Here's how I would improve Jedi in my opinion.

Jabba stuff is all great, just don't kill Boba Fett that silly comedic way, keep him around for final space battle.  Han is saved and needed because the rebellion is making an assualt on the Emperor and the heart of the Empire. Luke is willingly captured and have the whole Vader scenes.  Meanwhile Han leads the assualt with Lando, Leia plans in the war room.  The battle is going poorly and Han and Chewbacca sacrifice themselves with the Falcon to save the mission.  As everything blows up Luke escapes with Vader's body and we celebrate while mourning Han and Chewy.  Plenty of detials to work out, but broad strokes.

The idea that this brutal regime that rules planets could be beaten by stone age technology (how weak is Stormtrooper armor?) cheapened the conflict for me even as a kid.  After Empire felt total victory needed to have cost and feel earned.



Veknoid_Outcast said:

I think you picked up on something that runs through the entire prequel trilogy: George Lucas can't be bothered to frame or block a dialogue scene with any sense of style. He just has the actors sit on a couch or walk down a hallway and then cuts back and forth in shot reverse shot (this was hammered home in the Plinkett reviews). It's like he just wants to get the talking part out of the way so he can focus on the visual effects. Lucas has never been an actor's director, but in the prequels he didn't even pretend to try.

Yeah this seems pretty accurate. I did get the impression that Lucas was more focused on the visuals rather than actual character interaction and development, which was pretty disappointing for someone like me, who always treats characters as the biggest draw into any story I read or watch. 

I actually watched that Plinkett review :P though to be fair I always felt like those dialogue scenes felt really awkward. It's like he went as basic as possible to just get them out of the way, like you said.



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