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Nautilus said:
iron_megalith said:

No it's not. Mainly it is a handheld console. Like I said, the dock absolutely has nothing special. The whole hardware is inside the Switch "Handheld" device. Connecting it to the dock just removes the restrictions.

Another example Laptop is not a PC.

Except it is a hybrid.You dont need any chips in the dock itself for it to be a home console.It just needs to have the functionality of one.Home consoles are more of a concept, rather than a piece of tecnology.A home console is something that plays mainly games(as in it is optimized for that) and displays that image on the tv, while you control it via a controller, but the unit itself is not portable.And the Switch is ALSO that(you can treat it as only that, if you so like).If we dont take that concept as the definition, then the PS4 and XOne are actually just very limited PCs, that happens to only play games.

The Switch is both parts equal home and handheld console.I can understand why you would prefer using more one or the other, and thus being more of a handheld for you, but its a hybrid at heart.And hey, if you wanna go by the official statement, the Switch is a home console(according to Nintendo), so there is that.

Great post.

Its funny how people see Switch hardware and say it's handled not home console only because has mobile hardware in it or Switch itself has mobile form factor, but dont realise that whole Switch is made from ground that can act, to be used and to give full home experience also, and actual Switch does that.

It's very obvious that Switch is true hybrid console of home console and handheld console, and how it would be used depends only from each consumer.

 

Magnus said:
sethnintendo said:

NFS: Most Wanted U was superior to PS3 and 360 versions because Criterion actually put decent effort into the port.  Granted it wasn't launch day but if it was then it would have been like all the other rushed EA ports.  Best port EA did for the Wii U (and last game) which they then punished Criterion for the poor sales even though it wasn't their fault with the release without all DLC included, marketing and price.

"Criterion Games has used the Wii U to conjure up the definitive console version of Need for Speed: Most Wanted. It's not an overwhelming advance that matches the visual fidelity of the PC version in all regards, but additions and tweaks are numerous and well-considered. At no expense to the frame-rate, textures stand at the midway point in the quality spectrum, between the more blurry assets we're seeing on PS3 and 360 and the highest possible settings on PC. It's a worthwhile upgrade that extends to reflection draw too, with all other visual facets being identical, and the frame-rate coming away smoother regardless."

http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/digitalfoundry-need-for-speed-most-wanted-wii-u-face-off

Need for Speed was not a CPU intensive game so it could run well on Wii U. But most 360 and PS3 games weren't like that. EA broke with Nintendo because the Wii U couldn't run Frostbite.

EA (like most other 3rd parties) abandoned Wii U because terrible sales of Wii U.



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We shall see after the Ninty fanbase is exhausted and it needs to sale to the PS/X/PC crowd and the Phone crowd.

Zelda gave the Nin Base a reason to jump in hard to the Switch, something the wiiu failed to do. Shall see if they sales maintain when the droughts hit or the inferior 3rd party games are shunned and 3rd parties start announcing they are killing support.

on a plus side the faster they kill the 3ds the more games this gets, full ninty software firing pushing all out.



zorg1000 said:
Lawlight said:

Then what's the tern for the Wii owners?

most of them were casuals like i described a few posts back.

"its the 8 year old boy who plays Minecraft & Skylanders. the 12 year old girl who plays Just Dance & Style Savvy. the 19 year old college kid who plays Call of Duty or FIFA with his roommates after class. the mom who plays Mario Kart to bond with her kids. the the lapsed gamer who doesnt play nearly as much as they used to because of work/family/etc but still plays occasionally to wind down and relax. and yes its the grandma who plays Wii Fit to try getting in shape."

are you really pretending that people who bought a Wii for one game then never played again were the majority of Wii owners? sorry but they werent

Sorry but I think they were.



curl-6 said:
Lawlight said:

Then what's the tern for the Wii owners?

I'm a Wii owner. I own over 40 games for the system including titles like Resident Evil 4, Silent Hill Shattered Memories, Sin & Punishment 2, Xenoblade, and Fatal Frame, and I've clocked over a thousand hours on Monster Hunter Tri. Am I a casual?

Are you one of those Wii owners who bought the system for Wii Sports and then put it away? Obviously not so I don't see why you think that term was meant to be applied to you.

 

Also 40 Wii games? Really?



Lawlight said:
zorg1000 said:

most of them were casuals like i described a few posts back.

"its the 8 year old boy who plays Minecraft & Skylanders. the 12 year old girl who plays Just Dance & Style Savvy. the 19 year old college kid who plays Call of Duty or FIFA with his roommates after class. the mom who plays Mario Kart to bond with her kids. the the lapsed gamer who doesnt play nearly as much as they used to because of work/family/etc but still plays occasionally to wind down and relax. and yes its the grandma who plays Wii Fit to try getting in shape."

are you really pretending that people who bought a Wii for one game then never played again were the majority of Wii owners? sorry but they werent

Sorry but I think they were.

You can think whatever you want, but the facts don't support you. Even discounting Wii Sports, the Wii has an attach ratio of 8 games per console.



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curl-6 said:
Lawlight said:

Sorry but I think they were.

You can think whatever you want, but the facts don't support you. Even discounting Wii Sports, the Wii has an attach ratio of 8 games per console.

                  ;)             

However, you mean 9 my bro! :)



Lawlight said:
zorg1000 said:

most of them were casuals like i described a few posts back.

"its the 8 year old boy who plays Minecraft & Skylanders. the 12 year old girl who plays Just Dance & Style Savvy. the 19 year old college kid who plays Call of Duty or FIFA with his roommates after class. the mom who plays Mario Kart to bond with her kids. the the lapsed gamer who doesnt play nearly as much as they used to because of work/family/etc but still plays occasionally to wind down and relax. and yes its the grandma who plays Wii Fit to try getting in shape."

are you really pretending that people who bought a Wii for one game then never played again were the majority of Wii owners? sorry but they werent

Sorry but I think they were.

like Curl said, it had a similar attach ratio as PS3/360. also the fact that it was still selling pretty well through 2011 (5 years after launch) kinda disproves the argument that it was only being bought for Wii Sports.



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zorg1000 said:

nope, a casual gamer is someone who plays games casually as in maybe a few hours per week as a way to relax.

I see someone else at least knows what a casual gamer is I had this same argument with someone else in another thread, casual gamers aren't some new thing they've been around since the NES. Most Wii owners were casual gamers and the Wii brought in a lot of new gamers as well, many people mistakenly think the latter are casual gamers.



Wyrdness said:
zorg1000 said:

nope, a casual gamer is someone who plays games casually as in maybe a few hours per week as a way to relax.

I see someone else at least knows what a casual gamer is I had this same argument with someone else in another thread, casual gamers aren't some new thing they've been around since the NES. Most Wii owners were casual gamers and the Wii brought in a lot of new gamers as well, many people mistakenly think the latter are casual gamers.

yep, literally every successful console is primarily bought by casuals.

i would say attach rate is proof of this, most consoles have an attach rate of 8-10 or around there, that means the average console gamer only purchases like 2-3 games per year.



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Miyamotoo said:
Jranation said:

And they have the right to! It already broke a couple records already. Its good that people are expecting Amazing stuff from this. If it delivers it delivers, if it doesnt it doesnt. 

Not to mention that has one of best games ever like launch title.

 

tak13 said:

Dying? Declining fast you mean...

It sold 17m in 2010... Down from 27m! ( 11m in 2011 and 5m in 2012 year of replacement, 1.6m better than the peak year of wii u 2015 and about the same with the peak year of gc 2003 WOW  )

Okay -10m, but such a sharp drop was inevitable with the previous overly irregular selling levels, you can't use the word dying for something that sold 17m...

You can call it like ever you want, my point is same, look how 3DS performed last year compared to 2015. and how still performing currently in its 7. year on market. Or you can look how PS3/Xbox360 performed in 2011/2012/2013 yers compared to Wii.

Switch is already massivley underpowered as it is, you expect it to be relevant in the future when PS5 realeases? It would be 3 generations behind at that point.