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Is the Scorpio next gen?

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jason1637 said:
Microsoft are done with generations so it's just a new xbox.

But are they really though? I mean, say the next Xbox console after Scorpio comes out 2021. It will be a big jump over Scorpio, and an enormous jump over XBox One. By that time, no way are MS first parties or third party devs going to make their games run on the current Xbox One. They will run maybe on Scorpio and the new Xbox.

So the current Xbox One will drop out of the market because it's too weak and no one is making games for it. Doesn't that pretty much signal a generation ending? And if there are still Xbox games and consoles being made, a new gen must have started at some point?

Not that it particularly matters, I'm just wondering if by definition you can ever really drop generations



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Shadow1980 said:
Of course not, no more than the PS4 Pro is "next-gen." It's more or less a souped-up XBO designed for 4K gaming. It's not anywhere close to a generation leap. The CPU is apparently the same as the XBO, just clocked a bit faster. The GPU is only about 50% more powerful than the Pro's. It's got only 50% more RAM than the Pro, whereas the base PS4 and XBO both have 16 times the RAM of the PS3 and 360, with a memory bandwidth also an order of magnitude higher. And like the Pro, all that additional power is going toward higher TV resolutions, not pushing the overall graphics themselves to next-gen levels. It will have no real exclusives aside from VR titles, and will share 90+% of the same library as the PS4 & PS4 Pro and 99+% of the same library as the XBO.

TL;DR: This is simply a performance boost to an existing platform, not an entirely new platform.

If PS3 just got Star Ocean and Persona, the whole entirely different platform angle holds no water



celador said:
jason1637 said:
Microsoft are done with generations so it's just a new xbox.

But are they really though? I mean, say the next Xbox console after Scorpio comes out 2021. It will be a big jump over Scorpio, and an enormous jump over XBox One. By that time, no way are MS first parties or third party devs going to make their games run on the current Xbox One. They will run maybe on Scorpio and the new Xbox.

So the current Xbox One will drop out of the market because it's too weak and no one is making games for it. Doesn't that pretty much signal a generation ending? And if there are still Xbox games and consoles being made, a new gen must have started at some point?

Not that it particularly matters, I'm just wondering if by definition you can ever really drop generations

I think MS will have the regular xbox one and Scorpio. On 2020 or 2021 they will drop the xb1 and have scorpio and scorpio 2. Scorpio 1 by that time will be the main xbox and scorpio 2 the premium xbox. Scorpio and Scorpio 2 will still share the same games like xb1 and scorpio and able to play 360 games also. If there sharing games it's not really a new gen. But that's just my take on how I see MS doing consoles from now on.



It can run Forza Apex equivalent at 4k 60fps on ultra settings according to Eurogamer. I'm impressed. It's a good jump in power. Not a full generational jump though.



If MS had said devs have the option of releasing Scorpio exclusives I would say yes, but as it stands now, it still feels like a mid-gen refresh to me because devs are forced to keep releasing on XB1. I do feel like MS won't do traditional generations from this point on, there will be a new console every 3 years most likely, with previous consoles reaching the end of their life every 2nd new console (so 6 years of guaranteed support per console).



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It would suck if it was, but it sounds like it's just a mid gen upgrade.



 

              

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Nope, it's still in the same generation as Xbox One and PS4 Pro.



CPU is weak.  I am not sure there will be any exclusives games made for the console. So basically run Xbone games at higher or 4K res



 

jason1637 said:

I think MS will have the regular xbox one and Scorpio. On 2020 or 2021 they will drop the xb1 and have scorpio and scorpio 2. Scorpio 1 by that time will be the main xbox and scorpio 2 the premium xbox. Scorpio and Scorpio 2 will still share the same games like xb1 and scorpio and able to play 360 games also. If there sharing games it's not really a new gen. But that's just my take on how I see MS doing consoles from now on.

 

shikamaru317 said:
If MS had said devs have the option of releasing Scorpio exclusives I would say yes, but as it stands now, it still feels like a mid-gen refresh to me because devs are forced to keep releasing on XB1. I do feel like MS won't do traditional generations from this point on, there will be a new console every 3 years most likely, with previous consoles reaching the end of their life every 2nd new console (so 6 years of guaranteed support per console).

How is this going to work with advertising games though?
Available on these models? A checklist on the box?
Are they going to stick to blu-ray from now on or drop physical entirely?
Wouldn't it be better to switch to a new architecture next gen?
Wouldn't it be a pita to support the same game on a 16 core and 8 core cpu with different memory architecture?

This mid-gen refresh won't create too many problems for devs, same type of memory, same cpu, same amount of cores, same storage, not all that much difference in storage speeds. Yet won't the Scorpio be a huge anchor when the next gen goes with SSD, hbm2 and 16 or even 32 core cpus? Sure PC games manage those transitions yet at the cost of a big overhead which consoles try to eliminate to get better performance.



LMAO

Of course no, my dear boy.

If you look at the market, it even doesn´t make any sense.

PS4 is on his way to 100 Million
Switch will become the second option standar


there is no space for xbox
Tell me what crutial games has the xbox brand.??????
Gears??? Halo???

They have screwed up those