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SvennoJ on 06 April 2017
jason1637 said:

I think MS will have the regular xbox one and Scorpio. On 2020 or 2021 they will drop the xb1 and have scorpio and scorpio 2. Scorpio 1 by that time will be the main xbox and scorpio 2 the premium xbox. Scorpio and Scorpio 2 will still share the same games like xb1 and scorpio and able to play 360 games also. If there sharing games it's not really a new gen. But that's just my take on how I see MS doing consoles from now on.

 

shikamaru317 said:
If MS had said devs have the option of releasing Scorpio exclusives I would say yes, but as it stands now, it still feels like a mid-gen refresh to me because devs are forced to keep releasing on XB1. I do feel like MS won't do traditional generations from this point on, there will be a new console every 3 years most likely, with previous consoles reaching the end of their life every 2nd new console (so 6 years of guaranteed support per console).

How is this going to work with advertising games though?
Available on these models? A checklist on the box?
Are they going to stick to blu-ray from now on or drop physical entirely?
Wouldn't it be better to switch to a new architecture next gen?
Wouldn't it be a pita to support the same game on a 16 core and 8 core cpu with different memory architecture?

This mid-gen refresh won't create too many problems for devs, same type of memory, same cpu, same amount of cores, same storage, not all that much difference in storage speeds. Yet won't the Scorpio be a huge anchor when the next gen goes with SSD, hbm2 and 16 or even 32 core cpus? Sure PC games manage those transitions yet at the cost of a big overhead which consoles try to eliminate to get better performance.



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wolflink on 06 April 2017

LMAO

Of course no, my dear boy.

If you look at the market, it even doesn´t make any sense.

PS4 is on his way to 100 Million
Switch will become the second option standar


there is no space for xbox
Tell me what crutial games has the xbox brand.??????
Gears??? Halo???

They have screwed up those




bigtakilla on 06 April 2017
Cloudman said:
It would suck if it was, but it sounds like it's just a mid gen upgrade.

A mere upgrade sounds like a waste though. Wouldn't that suck as well?



thismeintiel on 06 April 2017

Nah. You see, with these mid-gen refreshes, not only are they not powerful enough to warrant a next gen label, but they are also being held back somewhat by their OG counterparts. No exclusives for either one. Improved textures, resolution, AA, and shadows are about all you are going to get. That's nothing to sneeze at, mind you. However, next gen those should improve even more, as will environmental interaction. And for the most part, these mid-gen systems are stuck using the same character models and environment geometry as the OG systems, where next gen those things should be improved incredibly. The same goes for draw distances. Slightly improved mid-gen, but much better next gen.

It's really why some PC gamers with really expensive rigs hate consoles, as most devs are making the games targeting them, with the PC basically getting ports. Sure, like the Pro and Scorpio the things mentioned above are improved for them, but not to the extent they could be. It's really why we get those graphics mods for PC.



 

bigtakilla on 06 April 2017

double post



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bigtakilla on 06 April 2017
wolflink said:
LMAO

Of course no, my dear boy.

If you look at the market, it even doesn´t make any sense.

PS4 is on his way to 100 Million
Switch will become the second option standar


there is no space for xbox
Tell me what crutial games has the xbox brand.??????
Gears??? Halo???

They have screwed up those

Which is why if they want to have any hope of selling, this whole "won't have exclusive games" thing is gonna go the way of "DRM IS GREAT FOR GAMERS" and "KINECT IS THE FUTURE". 

 

And you belive Microsoft now? 



Pemalite on 06 April 2017
bigtakilla said:

Let's get to the meat and potatos, and cut the bs.

It can run games at native 4k, while the Xbone is 900p in most cases (skipping 1080p, 2k, better than 2k but not 4k checkerboarding, and going straight to 4k), while Wii U to Switch IS a gen change going from 700p to 900p. This is a vastly bigger leap for Microsoft in every possible way. Even doing this, Digital Foundry says a lot of the simpler games running at native 4k may even have overhead for better effects. So where do you stand. a console being the weakest of the two jumping ahead of its competition and its mid gen upgrade, will it need an xbone2 in a year or two, or more like several?

Scorpio supports Checkerboarding.

Scorpio will run with the entire existing video game and accessory base, the fact it runs all the current games better is just icing on the cake.

It's hardware is also not next-gen.

Shadow1980 said:
The CPU is apparently the same as the XBO, just clocked a bit faster.

There is more to it than that. Microsoft has made changes to reduce latency and keep the CPU fed better.
They have also offloaded a significant amount of CPU time, which free's up the CPU for more important serialised tasks.


Shadow1980 said:
The GPU is only about 50% more powerful than the Pro's.

Based on what Metric? Flops? I can tell you why that's highly inaccurate. We don't even know what GPU architecture it's using, untill we do, we don't know what kind of efficiency gains that could be had and what kind of performance leed it has in the real world.


Shadow1980 said:
And like the Pro, all that additional power is going toward higher TV resolutions, not pushing the overall graphics themselves to next-gen levels.

No. The extra hardware should allow higher levels of fidelity over the Pro. It's not Next Gen. But it will have that advantage.

Shadow1980 said:

It will have no real exclusives aside from VR titles, and will share 90+% of the same library as the PS4 & PS4 Pro and 99+% of the same library as the XBO.

Probably should wait for E3 before deciding it has no exclusives. Microsoft obviously wanted to reveal Scorpio before E3 to win a few more news cycles and possibly free up E3 to talk about other things.

Shadow1980 said:

TL;DR: This is simply a performance boost to an existing platform, not an entirely new platform.

100% agreed.


etking said:
The performance equals a slow PC with a bad CPU and mediocre GPU. I wouldn't call that nextgen.

Impossible to have high-end PC components in a console anymore anyway.



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wolflink on 06 April 2017
Bandorr said:
bigtakilla said:

Which is why if they want to have any hope of selling, this whole "won't have exclusive games" thing is gonna go the way of "DRM IS GREAT FOR GAMERS" and "KINECT IS THE FUTURE". 

 

And you belive Microsoft now? 

I believe Microsoft because removing DRM is good for gamers. Removing the kinect was good for gamers.

If in November the announce "look at all these exclusives" there will be a HUGE backlash from people that bought an xbox one s a year ago.

You can't spend 2 years saying 'no exclusives' encouraging people to buy an xbox one S only to turn around and say "just kidding."

Plus it can't just be first party games. It is going to have to be multi-plat games also. Ones that can be on the ps4/pro but not xbox one/s.

Now when they update the Scorpio to Scorpio 2 in say.. 2 years - THEN they can include exclusives.

Honestly i never have believed in microsoft.

They removed DRM because of Sony not because they wanted to. They removed Kinect because that trend was over.

There will be exclusives, the 4k, HDR factor is not that huge right now, not even in the US to be the selling point.

Do you remember beta vs vhs??? scorpio vs ps4 pro all over again.

 

In the end a NASA machine is used to play minecraft and emulate super mario bros.

Xbox scorpio will be used to play what????? 

The "use factor" right now is for 4k blue rays, microsoft services, netflix.



NobleTeam360 on 06 April 2017

Nah, it's not next gen. It's basically just a mid gen refresh/upgrade.



jason1637 on 06 April 2017
wolflink said:
Bandorr said:

I believe Microsoft because removing DRM is good for gamers. Removing the kinect was good for gamers.

If in November the announce "look at all these exclusives" there will be a HUGE backlash from people that bought an xbox one s a year ago.

You can't spend 2 years saying 'no exclusives' encouraging people to buy an xbox one S only to turn around and say "just kidding."

Plus it can't just be first party games. It is going to have to be multi-plat games also. Ones that can be on the ps4/pro but not xbox one/s.

Now when they update the Scorpio to Scorpio 2 in say.. 2 years - THEN they can include exclusives.

Honestly i never have believed in microsoft.

They removed DRM because of Sony not because they wanted to. They removed Kinect because that trend was over.

There will be exclusives, the 4k, HDR factor is not that huge right now, not even in the US to be the selling point.

Do you remember beta vs vhs??? scorpio vs ps4 pro all over again.

 

In the end a NASA machine is used to play minecraft and emulate super mario bros.

Xbox scorpio will be used to play what????? 

The "use factor" right now is for 4k blue rays, microsoft services, netflix.

Come on dude Scorpio will have games lol. Already confirmed that all xbox 360 bc and xbox one games laready out will have a boost on scorpio. 108p and 900p games can hit native 4k on scorpio, and MS says all their first party will be native 4k on scorpio. Because you personally arent interested in MS games doesnt mean you have to downplay the consoles games.