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Azhraell on 06 April 2017
Faelco said:
leyendax69 said:

I think it's more about the reach of a frachise than genre itself. fifa and pes share the same genre yet pes barely sells (I'm aware there are more factors why this happens though) and you could hardly say it's mainstream anymore. Persona 5 will probably get close to 3M lt and that would mean it's one of the biggest jrpg series, it's not niche anymore

It doesn't work like that. Niche isn't related to sales that way. Niche games usually don't sale a lot because they are niche games, they're not niche games because they don't sell much. Niche is about genre, themes and target audience. Persona is an anime high-school class and dating sim/visual novel/turn-based JRPG, it's the definition of a niche game that will appeal to a very specific or informed audience, while the broad audience will say "what is this?" or "what's the point?". Persona 5 could sell 5M and still be a niche game. The most successful niche game ever, maybe, but niche game nonetheless. Meanwhile, PES could sell 100k and would still be a football game, basically the opposite of a niche game. Unsuccessful or flop doesn't mean niche. 

So the general consensus is that what matters most is genre and sales are irrelevant? not sure I fully agree with that but doesn't matter, the thread was already derailed enough :P I'm just happy P5 is doing well and I have yet to get my copy.



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deskpro2k3 on 06 April 2017

pretty much all the "take your heart" editions are sold out. How many did they make?



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IkePoR on 06 April 2017

This is shipped and there's a difference between shipped and sold, right?



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Azhraell on 06 April 2017
Hiku said:
leyendax69 said:

I think it's more about the reach of a frachise than genre itself. fifa and pes share the same genre yet pes barely sells (I'm aware there are more factors why this happens though) and you could hardly say it's mainstream anymore. Persona 5 will probably get close to 3M lt and that would mean it's one of the biggest jrpg series, it's not niche anymore

If the next Call of Duty ends up selling 1 copy, it's not all of a sudden a niche game. It's an unsuccessful mainstream game. Whether it'sniche or not doesn't change that easily.

Well I agree with that but cod is a different case, it's not a new, unknown ip. I know you were trying to make a point but if the next cod were to sell 1 copy unsuccessful would be too short to describe it hahah



CWegzz on 06 April 2017

It's great to see this game doing well. I'm really enjoying the game and it's nice to see the series finally receiving the success it deserves.



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UltimateUnknown on 06 April 2017

Get on the hype train boys! Persona 5 is comin right through.



 

Faelco on 06 April 2017
leyendax69 said:
Faelco said:

It doesn't work like that. Niche isn't related to sales that way. Niche games usually don't sale a lot because they are niche games, they're not niche games because they don't sell much. Niche is about genre, themes and target audience. Persona is an anime high-school class and dating sim/visual novel/turn-based JRPG, it's the definition of a niche game that will appeal to a very specific or informed audience, while the broad audience will say "what is this?" or "what's the point?". Persona 5 could sell 5M and still be a niche game. The most successful niche game ever, maybe, but niche game nonetheless. Meanwhile, PES could sell 100k and would still be a football game, basically the opposite of a niche game. Unsuccessful or flop doesn't mean niche. 

So the general consensus is that what matters most is genre and sales are irrelevant? not sure I fully agree with that but doesn't matter, the thread was already derailed enough :P I'm just happy P5 is doing well and I have yet to get my copy.

Sales are not irrelevant. Sales are a consequence of the nature of the game (genre, audience and quality, obviously), so a consequence of the game being niche or not. But they're not what makes a game niche or not. You can have a mainstream game selling less than a niche one, it doesn't inverse their nature. Even if Persona 5 ends up selling more than Titanfall 2 (which is possible), you can't say that P5 becomes more mainstream and TF2 becomes a niche game. They're just a really successful school-sim/dating-sim/visual novel/turn based JRPG (very niche genre) and a really unsuccessful First Person Shooter (mainstream genre).

(I'm not sure if it's "derailing the thread", we do talk about Persona sales and expectations)



Azhraell on 06 April 2017
Faelco said:
leyendax69 said:

So the general consensus is that what matters most is genre and sales are irrelevant? not sure I fully agree with that but doesn't matter, the thread was already derailed enough :P I'm just happy P5 is doing well and I have yet to get my copy.

Sales are not irrelevant. Sales are a consequence of the nature of the game (genre, audience and quality, obviously), so a consequence of the game being niche or not. But they're not what makes a game niche or not. You can have a mainstream game selling less than a niche one, it doesn't inverse their nature. Even if Persona 5 ends up selling more than Titanfall 2 (which is possible), you can't say that P5 becomes more mainstream and TF2 becomes a niche game. They're just a really successful school-sim/dating-sim/visual novel/turn based JRPG (very niche genre) and a really unsuccessful First Person Shooter (mainstream genre).

(I'm not sure if it's "derailing the thread", we do talk about Persona sales and expectations)

From what you say they seem irrelevant to determine if a game is niche or not, at least. I think it was kinda derailing the thread since this is purely about the sales and not the status of the game/franchise, well I'm one of the people who started the topic so it's my fault



zorg1000 on 06 April 2017
Radek said:

According to VG Chartz, Deus Ex: Mankind Divided sold 0.57 million units on PS4 since it launched in August 2016.

And I don't think Deus Ex was considered a niche franchise.

Persona 5 sales are amazing... Please 3 millions LT

I would consider Deus Ex to be relatively niche, outside of Human Revolution the series hasnt seemed to have sold all that much.



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Dr.Vita on 06 April 2017

That's fantastic! Persona franchise is becoming huge!




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