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Forums - Sales Discussion - Media Create/Famitsu/Dengeki - 27th March - 2nd April

Keybladewielder said:

I wonder which Switch numbers should I believe: Famitsu's or Media Create's

It seems that Famitsu is doing some adjustments with numbers, espacily with software, LT Switch numbers for Switch now have difference of 10k only for Famitsu and Media.



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Farsala said:

It's not the best, but it has its niche audience with a hefty price tag to keep profits.

[PS4] Romance of the Three Kingdoms XIII with Power-Up Kit (Koei Tecmo, 02/16/17) – 7,719 (New) 

[PS4] Romance of the Three Kingdoms 13 (Koei Tecmo, 01/28/16) – 20,101 (New)

[PS3] Romance of the Three Kingdoms 13 (Koei Tecmo, 01/28/16) – 15,431 (New) 

And the game contributed to record profit for KT last year, thus funding all these ports.

As of March 31st 2016

ROTK XIII 180k JP and Asia

Not counting any other sales, seems pretty good. And the last port (Vita) is coming out in May. Just a shame these ports will probably flop.

Sources from MC and KT Financials.

Yeah, I dread to think how poorly the Vita port is gonna do. You know me, I'm very pro-Vita porting, but I fail to see the logic behind this one.

From my spreadsheet, it seems Romance of Three Kingdoms XII on Vita sold ~ 17k across all versions and re-releases, lol.



Great week for Ninty... software's are holding well too.



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Shadow1980 said:
JRPGfan said:

Im surprised 3DS sales arnt seemingly effected more by the Switch.

It is quite interesting. It seems to indicate that, at least for now, the Japanese market isn't treating it as a 3DS successor. The GBC quickly faded when the GBA was released, GBA sales cratered after the DS was released, and the DS tanked after the 3DS was released. But the 3DS is still hanging in there.

It could be a similar situation with the PS2 & PS3 in the U.S. The PS2 was not immediately affected by the PS3's release like the PS1 was when the PS2 came out, and didn't see sales increase their rate of decline by a significant amount until the PS3 got a permanent price cut to $400. So, maybe the Switch needs a little something more before the 3DS starts to decline, perhaps a price cut and the announcement of big handheld titles like Pokemon and Monster Hunter.

The most likely reason for 3DS hold and DS quick decline is the software in the last months around 3DS/Switch launch.

Pokemon Black/White released in Sept 2010 and was huge but from Oct 2010-March 2011 there was a few games that sold in the 300-600k range.

In that same time frame for 3DS had Pokemon Sun/Moon in Nov which has done over 3 million, it also had Mario Maker in Dec & Monster Hunter in March which have done over 1 million along with a few games that have sold 300-600k.

3DS lacks any truly noteworthy releases in the next few months so if sales continue to hold pretty well than your theory could be correct but i suspect we will see it start to fade in the coming months.



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Ka-pi96 said:

heh, didn't even notice they were different until I saw your post, I usually only look at Media Create.

I'm under the impression that Media Create are more accurate (whether that's true or not who knows?) and since they're the higher ones anyway... people won't accuse me of trying to downplay Switch by using them either, so MC FTW!

Stop trying to downplay Switch. Use Dengeki's numbers.



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Shadow1980 said:
zorg1000 said:

The most likely reason for 3DS hold and DS quick decline is the software in the last months around 3DS/Switch launch.

Pokemon Black/White released in Sept 2010 and was huge but from Oct 2010-March 2011 there was a few games that sold in the 300-600k range.

In that same time frame for 3DS had Pokemon Sun/Moon in Nov which has done over 3 million, it also had Mario Maker in Dec & Monster Hunter in March which have done over 1 million along with a few games that have sold 300-600k.

3DS lacks any truly noteworthy releases in the next few months so if sales continue to hold pretty well than your theory could be correct but i suspect we will see it start to fade in the coming months.

Well, the thing is, almost without exception when a system's replacement is released it has an immediate and pronounced effect on the system it's replacing. It's not just handhelds. Home consoles exhibit the same behavior, regardless of other variables like games. The only exception was the PS2 in the U.S., and that's obviously due to the PS3's high launch price. The PS3 didn't have an effect on PS2 sales until it was cut to $400.

So, there's only two possibilities in regards to the 3DS: Either it's a PS2-like situation and the 3DS needs a price cut, or the market isn't viewing it as a replacement for the 3DS but rather for the Wii U. In either case, if Nintendo really puts in the effort to show that this a hybrid system meant to replace both the Wii U and 3DS, then 3DS sales will likely start to drop.

idk, can you show me a system that had a similar amount of big sellers release so close to the successor?

Also compare Q1 2011 sales of DS to Q1 2017 sales of 3DS.

DS-355k (27k/week), 3DS-430k (33k/week)

I dont think its unreasonable to assume the legs of the big holiday titles Pokemon & Mario Maker along with the release of Monster Hunter in March are the cause of the 20% increase over DS in Q1 2011. I think next quarter is where we will really see the effect.

3DS averaged about 20k/week in Q2 last year so if it stays around there than i suppose you are right.



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Yep ROTK XIII Switch less then 1300 sales, I imagine the Vita version could at least muster 3000...



Farsala said:
Yep ROTK XIII Switch less then 1300 sales, I imagine the Vita version could at least muster 3000...

Hard to say. Series doesn't really have a Nintendo fanbase. Would be hard to think that newcomers would be willing to pay the price tag on it.



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tak13 said:

Yeah... In the west!

Things are different in Japan!

3DS has sold almost 500k so far  and it's yoy up, while its predecessor and percursor of its predecessor were extremly down yoy in the same time frame!

3DS is lucky, switch hardware nature ( which reminds the wii u ) ,  lack of 3DS  bc, software and hardware prices very big difference, 3DS still being supported and switch doesn't have the handheld ips yet!

Hence, the majority of people ( OUTSIDE GAMING FORUMS ) see it more like a wii u successor for the moment... Thus, wii u sales have fell of a cliff even since the switch release date announcement!

Even if Nintendo ceases the software support, 3DS could keeping doing well due to switch being overly expensive compared to 3DS/2DS!

Some people will prefer to spend 5000 yen for Pokemon s or m and 10.000 yen for a 2ds than 7000 yen for a Pokemon switch and 29.000 yen for switch.

And for the average handheld console  gamer, graphical superiority doesn't count, at least it does not count more than the affordability of software and hardware.

A more portable and afforable for the handheld console gamer, switch version should kill it...

I would say that pricing itself it's the main factor. The Switch has a home console price, as a handheld it is insanely expensive. I can see a dockless version down the road with a better price point to kill 3DS.