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Forums - Gaming Discussion - Forbes : Microsoft's Xbox Scorpio Should Be Worried About The Nintendo Switch

Xbox Scorpio should be more worried that MS and Sony seems to have forgotten some of the core concepts of what a console is and should be. And, also, no. The Switch and Scorpio are probably the two consoles that will affect one another the least of them all since they couldn't be further away as philosophical and design concepts on the market today.



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Darwinianevolution said:

The Scorpio's biggest weakness is the fact that Microsoft left so much time for the PS4Pro to run unchallenged. THese upgraded versions of consoles catter mostly to people who either want to upgrade or don't own the console from the beginning. And those people have had the Pro option for a while now, making a difference that will continue to grow in the upcoming months. The Switch, while in the same market, is not as much a direct competitor than the Pro (Scorpio and Pro are aimed at the exact same group, Switch is more varied in that regard).

True, M$ left the Pro unchallenged​ for a long time but I can't hold it against them. They announced Scorpio first. Sony was just able to beat them to market. If anything, I'm glad there wasn't a "knee jerk" reaction to rush the Scorpio. Stuff like that leads to things like the RRoD.

There's room for both Switch and Scorpio (and PS4, of course). I can't wait!



The Switch and Xbone/PS4 are pretty much going after two different markets. The gamers who buy Xbone/PS4 consoles wouldn't buy a Switch instead of one of those, they'd buy the Switch to compliment the other, because as the article says, the libraries don't differ that much for most peoples tastes. Nintendo platforms meanwhile provide a lot of variety but without major 3rd party support. It's the same as PC and consoles, yet for some reason people understand fine that Nintendo platforms exist for a different market yet can't wrap their heads around the idea that PC gaming and console gaming are two different markets as well, thus we get "lol but xbox has no exclusives!!".

That said, the Scorpio is a gaming console, the Switch is a gaming console, and there are only three in the market. So of course they are all "worried" about one another. But not at the degree this random blogger who posted their opinion on Forbes believes, imho.



celador said:

It can't really be 9th gen if it doesn't have it's own exclusives, and I'm not sure MS can afford another big lie by going back on that promise. Scorpio may be a good leap but it's not going to be generational, unless MS are going to surprise everyone by revealing it's much more powerful than first stated and release it for a ridiculous price.

As for target audience, it must be focusing on the hardcore. Not much of the general gaming population is going to spend that much on an upgraded Xbox, as we have seen with Pro. Even less so when Phil Spencer himself said you really need a 4k TV to notice the big differences.

Personally, it seems to me Microsoft have become fixated on power as they feel that it is the only thing they can really beat Sony on right now, so they are going all in on it. I really don't see how it does any better than PS4 Pro right now.

Scorpio is supposedly 6TF of performance that's way more than enough for a generational leap, as seen with Switch replacing Wii U bad PR is only temporary and they've brushed off such situations in the past.

The part about target audience proves my point as the's no logical sense in making a platform with a generational leap and have a plan for it that limits iits appeal, MS at this point know PS4 won't be caught so I can't see them not turning Scorpio into a gen 9 platform to get a head start of Sony and force their hand.



It's interesting that Nintendo did the exact opposite from MS and Sony and it might pay off, especially if it gets supported. It would be great for the industry if the Switch became the leader.



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Wyrdness said:

Scorpio is supposedly 6TF of performance that's way more than enough for a generational leap, as seen with Switch replacing Wii U bad PR is only temporary and they've brushed off such situations in the past.

The part about target audience proves my point as the's no logical sense in making a platform with a generational leap and have a plan for it that limits iits appeal, MS at this point know PS4 won't be caught so I can't see them not turning Scorpio into a gen 9 platform to get a head start of Sony and force their hand.

I don't agree with the first point. Nintendo can get away with a small power upgrade because they offer new ways to play games, in this case the home console/portable hybrid, they are in less direct competition with the other console makers, and they offer a wealth of massive first party titles that sell systems. And they make new IP too.

Scorpio is a great mid-gen upgrade, but a poor generational leap when you are in direct competition with another console with a higher focus on power. A PS5 in say two years would blow it out of the water. I guess you could then argue that MS would have another upgrade a year or two after, but it would then have to see a huge upgrade to make it significantly more powerful than the PS5.



Here we have a "console war" that looks different from the one we've become accustomed to in recent years, where functionally equivalent machines from Microsoft and Sony compete over minor differences in their libraries and capabilities.

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I'd say PS4 and Xbox1 have seen libraries diverge more than the PS3 and Xbox360 era. Past few games I've played (Nier, Horizon, Nioh) have been on PS4 and not available on Xbox1



Well from one perspective they are all in competition with each other with regards to the consumer electronics market and entertainment market. However, I do not see the Scorpio or Switch really having a negative effect on each other. MS is billing the Scorpio as a premium console option for those that have 4K TVs or are willing to pay a higher price for better graphics; I believe MS knows they are going after a much more narrow target audience with Scorpio versus something like Switch and Xbox One S because Phil Spencer stated,"I call it a premium console because I want people to be clear that the customer we're building that for is the premium gaming customer. The person who buys the majority of the games, the person who's playing the most games, spending the most hours, spending the most dollars". Moreover he went on to state, "the majority of the consoles that we're going to sell are the Xbox One S and I'm very proud of that". The Switch, much like the Xbox One S, is designed to be more accessible and affordable (although it is probably not as affordable as it ought to be, and I think Nintendo will need to do a price cut once the initial wave of sales decreases...but that is for a different topic); I think Switch is in closer competition with One S than with the Scorpio.



celador said:
Wyrdness said:

Scorpio is supposedly 6TF of performance that's way more than enough for a generational leap, as seen with Switch replacing Wii U bad PR is only temporary and they've brushed off such situations in the past.

The part about target audience proves my point as the's no logical sense in making a platform with a generational leap and have a plan for it that limits iits appeal, MS at this point know PS4 won't be caught so I can't see them not turning Scorpio into a gen 9 platform to get a head start of Sony and force their hand.

I don't agree with the first point. Nintendo can get away with a small power upgrade because they offer new ways to play games, in this case the home console/portable hybrid, they are in less direct competition with the other console makers, and they offer a wealth of massive first party titles that sell systems. And they make new IP too.

Scorpio is a great mid-gen upgrade, but a poor generational leap when you are in direct competition with another console with a higher focus on power. A PS5 in say two years would blow it out of the water. I guess you could then argue that MS would have another upgrade a year or two after, but it would then have to see a huge upgrade to make it significantly more powerful than the PS5.

The base model X1 and PS3 are like what 1TF of performance, 6TF is in that regard a big leap at 6 times the performance that's a pretty standard leap for a new gen it's only the 7th gen that had a gigantiic leap in comparison.

At 6 times the performance Sony would have to act if Scorpio was positioned as a 9th gen platform because people don't care about a PS5 in 2 years because as it goes Scorpio would be the present, MS would be making a mistake handling Scorpio as a mid gen upgrade that only serves to further complicate their position.



We'll have to see how this holiday fares with PS4Pro, XboxOneElite (which both contain 98% of the same library) and Switch that now has the power of ZeldaBOTW+MarioKart8D+Spla2oon+MarioOdyssey.