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Atlus Threatens To Go After People Who Stream Too Far Into Persona 5

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Slade6alpha said:
None of Atlus' business. Throwing my Take your heart edition and throwing it in my cat's litter box. Boycotting this hot mess.

Makes sense. Why enjoy a game you bought when you can throw it away to show them developers who's the boss?



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Dark_Lord_2008 said:
Completely unenforceable and companies have no right to make empty threats. Streaming games is a basic right of people using the internet. We live in a democracy and it is our right to stream games, tv shows, music and movies.

Far from it. You can't stream an entire a tv-show or movie. It's by no means a right.



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VGPolyglot said:
Turkish said:

cuz he told me

Can you paraphrase the discussion, and tell me the date, place and events leading up to/proceeding the event?

thats none of ur business



SvennoJ said:

I love how games go from being called movies to walking simulators back to games back to trying to be movies again.

Fair use still has to be fleshed out for video games, yet it most likely will not include streaming a game from start to finish. I assume the Streams they want to shut down are the ones making money from them?

https://support.google.com/youtube/answer/138161?hl=en

What can I monetize?

Video game content may be monetized depending on the commercial use rights granted to you by licenses of video game publishers. Some video game publishers allow you to use all video game content for commercial use and state that in their license agreements. Likewise, videos showing software user interface may be monetized only if you have a contract with the publisher or you have paid a licensing fee.

Yet it's still a grey area with a rather huge loophole

Video game content may be monetized [without consent] if the associated step-by-step commentary is strictly tied to the live action being shown and provides instructional or educational value.

It's a new area in copyright law and so far companies have condoned let's play videos as a free form of advertisement. That doesn't mean it isn't in their right to put a stop to it. Yet by condoning it for so long they'll now have a much harder time trying to enforce copyright.

End of the day it's still a Gray area, which doesn't automatically mean that it's to always be on Atlus's side or anyone else's for that matter.


Also the side for Atlus doesn't get to call games as movies and then decide when they aren't either. Games are games full stop.



                                       

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That's just silly. So does the game become shit after that point then?



Nautilus said:
I can understand where this sentiment comes from.You create a story-heavy game, in which you put alot of hard work and passion in, just for people to spoil itself in the streams before playing the game and experiencing the game as it should.It must be frustrating for the developer.

Having said that, this is far too extreme.I understand blocking the stream option on PS4, but going after them on youtube?Thats just too much.

No. That agurment makes no sense. A person who is watching a stream. Doesn't have a gun to their head. That's forcing them to watch. That's like saying I have no choice in finding what was GTA 5 was about. I waited till the PC port was release. And I avoided ALL information about the game, for 2 years. Besides that it had 3 people you played as. If I can do that with GTA. Anyone can do that, with any game.

deskpro2k3 said:
BraLoD said:

Reviews give a lot of spoiler, about everything, the characters, the story, how the game works, some have lots of images and talk about secrets.

A movie is a completely different subject, though, a movie is made to people watch, it hurts it's directly hurts it basic purpose.
A video game is made to people play, watching it doesn't hurt it basic purpose, to be played, and thus is a non-issue.

I'm going to have to disagree with that because just like movies, there are games out there that is heavy on story, your overall experience diminishes if you know all the plot twist, secrets and ending beforehand.

No. You are wrong. Not everyone thinks that way. I decide if I want to spoil information about a movie/game etc. or not. Example: I still haven't watch Star Wars 7. I'm waiting for all 3 films to be complete. Then buy the boxset. Guess what: I decided I didn't care if I read some spoilers. I know Han dies, and why. Still buying the movies, once all 3 are done.



archer9234 said:
Nautilus said:
I can understand where this sentiment comes from.You create a story-heavy game, in which you put alot of hard work and passion in, just for people to spoil itself in the streams before playing the game and experiencing the game as it should.It must be frustrating for the developer.

Having said that, this is far too extreme.I understand blocking the stream option on PS4, but going after them on youtube?Thats just too much.

No. That agurment makes no sense. A person who is watching a stream. Doesn't have a gun to their head. That's forcing them to watch. That's like saying I have no choice in finding what was GTA 5 was about. I waited till the PC port was release. And I avoided ALL information about the game, for 2 years. Besides that it had 3 people you played as. If I can do that with GTA. Anyone can do that, with any game.

What are you disagreeing with me about?I just said that this measure is too extreme.

What I said is that I UNDERSTAND where they are comming from.I understand what the developers are feeling.They want you to experience the game as it should be, not treat it "as a movie".They poured they soul and years of work in this, after all.But this is still a choice that people can make, and trying to scare off streamers just wont work.



And here I thought Atlus cared about the GAMER.

But seriously, I don't really care what they want to do with this, since it's their IP and not mine. Wish these companies would focus more on game piracy than streams though.



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Nautilus said:
archer9234 said:

No. That agurment makes no sense. A person who is watching a stream. Doesn't have a gun to their head. That's forcing them to watch. That's like saying I have no choice in finding what was GTA 5 was about. I waited till the PC port was release. And I avoided ALL information about the game, for 2 years. Besides that it had 3 people you played as. If I can do that with GTA. Anyone can do that, with any game.

What are you disagreeing with me about?I just said that this measure is too extreme.

What I said is that I UNDERSTAND where they are comming from.I understand what the developers are feeling.They want you to experience the game as it should be, not treat it "as a movie".They poured they soul and years of work in this, after all.But this is still a choice that people can make, and trying to scare off streamers just wont work.

Atlus' argument still makes no sense. That's what I'm arguing about. People have choices. Just because atlus gets butt hurt, that someone wants to know the answer. Doesn't make it acceptable, to be an ass to people. And abuse the content ID system, on youtube.