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SvennoJ on 05 April 2017
VGPolyglot said:
SvennoJ said:

It has? Maybe for some and unfortunately it seems my kids are infected too. When they're playing BotW at every point they say now this is going to happen and then Blitzwinger or whoever did this here and DanTDM beat the boss with such and such. Why do you even bother to play the game...

I understand wanting to show some cool moments, ingenious solutions or other random things happening. I've uploaded plenty videos myself too. Yet watching a game stream from start to finish just seems silly to me.

Actually, you know what. It's not too different from game rentals. There were many people who rented games without buying them to test and see if they'd like them, much in the same way that they do with videos nowadays.

 

VGPolyglot said:
deskpro2k3 said:

This is not an Atlus thing, it's a Japanese thing. I'm pretty sure Atlus USA has no problem if people stream Persona 5. In fact I'm 100% sure. Unfortunately Atlus USA has to follow what Atlus Japan tells them.

Which makes sense, considering that game rentals were allowed in the US but not in Japan. Here we have more of a "try before you buy" mentality, so that's probably why Atlus USA are more acceptable towards them than Atlus Japan.

First of all, watching a video is a poor replacement of game rentals, which you can still do btw. (At least where I live)
You could rent videogames in Japan as well yet rampant piracy ruined it and rentals were banned in 1984.

Dunno why US companies are less willing to enforce copyright. Perhaps they don't see the point, enjoy the free advertising, or are afraid of backlash. Perhaps they just see it as a nice opportunity to collect your personal preferences and send you targeted ads :)




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Poojipoo on 05 April 2017

There's a big difference between streaming a gameplay-driven game vs a story-driven game. I know way too many people who have been choosing not to buy story-driven games because they can "just stream it to watch the story for free". It's damaging to the industry. To me it's in the same category as pirating a movie or a show and completely in the right of the publisher to choose not to allow it to the best of their abilities.



Safiir on 05 April 2017
Poojipoo said:
There's a big difference between streaming a gameplay-driven game vs a story-driven game. I know way too many people who have been choosing not to buy story-driven games because they can "just stream it to watch the story for free". It's damaging to the industry. To me it's in the same category as pirating a movie or a show and completely in the right of the publisher to choose not to allow it to the best of their abilities.

Then they're stupid. Even a completely story-driven game is a very different experience when you watch it instead of playing it. Let's take for example beyond. There's no fucking way I'd settle for just watching a youtube video instead of actually playing it because there's literally zero immersion. And that's the whole point of the game - to make it interactive.



deskpro2k3 on 05 April 2017
Safiir said:
Poojipoo said:
There's a big difference between streaming a gameplay-driven game vs a story-driven game. I know way too many people who have been choosing not to buy story-driven games because they can "just stream it to watch the story for free". It's damaging to the industry. To me it's in the same category as pirating a movie or a show and completely in the right of the publisher to choose not to allow it to the best of their abilities.

Then they're stupid. Even a completely story-driven game is a very different experience when you watch it instead of playing it. Let's take for example beyond. There's no fucking way I'd settle for just watching a youtube video instead of actually playing it because there's literally zero immersion. And that's the whole point of the game - to make it interactive.

Yeah sure you can still play it after watching everything on youtube, but that's where it ends. you're  just copying what you saw, your first time experience is gone because you watched a streamer. Nothing is fresh, you know where all the traps and deadends are. 



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naruball on 05 April 2017
Slade6alpha said:
None of Atlus' business. Throwing my Take your heart edition and throwing it in my cat's litter box. Boycotting this hot mess.

Makes sense. Why enjoy a game you bought when you can throw it away to show them developers who's the boss?



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naruball on 05 April 2017
Dark_Lord_2008 said:
Completely unenforceable and companies have no right to make empty threats. Streaming games is a basic right of people using the internet. We live in a democracy and it is our right to stream games, tv shows, music and movies.

Far from it. You can't stream an entire a tv-show or movie. It's by no means a right.



deskpro2k3 on 05 April 2017

Guys, gals, listen up. Everything is going to be alright. Let me tell you back in the day, there was no such thing as facebook, Twitter, youtube, twitch, and upstream. The number one search engine was yahoo, we watch Adam Sessler on X Play, and people used AIM.. yeah y'all, we game just fine.



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Turkish on 05 April 2017
VGPolyglot said:
Turkish said:

cuz he told me

Can you paraphrase the discussion, and tell me the date, place and events leading up to/proceeding the event?

thats none of ur business



Chazore on 05 April 2017
SvennoJ said:

I love how games go from being called movies to walking simulators back to games back to trying to be movies again.

Fair use still has to be fleshed out for video games, yet it most likely will not include streaming a game from start to finish. I assume the Streams they want to shut down are the ones making money from them?

https://support.google.com/youtube/answer/138161?hl=en

What can I monetize?

Video game content may be monetized depending on the commercial use rights granted to you by licenses of video game publishers. Some video game publishers allow you to use all video game content for commercial use and state that in their license agreements. Likewise, videos showing software user interface may be monetized only if you have a contract with the publisher or you have paid a licensing fee.

Yet it's still a grey area with a rather huge loophole

Video game content may be monetized [without consent] if the associated step-by-step commentary is strictly tied to the live action being shown and provides instructional or educational value.

It's a new area in copyright law and so far companies have condoned let's play videos as a free form of advertisement. That doesn't mean it isn't in their right to put a stop to it. Yet by condoning it for so long they'll now have a much harder time trying to enforce copyright.

End of the day it's still a Gray area, which doesn't automatically mean that it's to always be on Atlus's side or anyone else's for that matter.


Also the side for Atlus doesn't get to call games as movies and then decide when they aren't either. Games are games full stop.



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KLXVER on 05 April 2017

That's just silly. So does the game become shit after that point then?