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Atlus Threatens To Go After People Who Stream Too Far Into Persona 5

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That sounds crazy.... common atlus, this is just gonna give you a PR backlash.



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You know there should be a ton more focus being put onto online cheating/hacks, than streaming. The real problem is in the multiplayer investments, not the frail folk who lose their minds upon knowing something they were always going to end up figuring out one day.



                                       

Chazore said:
SvennoJ said:

I love how games go from being called movies to walking simulators back to games back to trying to be movies again.

Fair use still has to be fleshed out for video games, yet it most likely will not include streaming a game from start to finish. I assume the Streams they want to shut down are the ones making money from them?

https://support.google.com/youtube/answer/138161?hl=en

What can I monetize?

Video game content may be monetized depending on the commercial use rights granted to you by licenses of video game publishers. Some video game publishers allow you to use all video game content for commercial use and state that in their license agreements. Likewise, videos showing software user interface may be monetized only if you have a contract with the publisher or you have paid a licensing fee.

Yet it's still a grey area with a rather huge loophole

Video game content may be monetized [without consent] if the associated step-by-step commentary is strictly tied to the live action being shown and provides instructional or educational value.

It's a new area in copyright law and so far companies have condoned let's play videos as a free form of advertisement. That doesn't mean it isn't in their right to put a stop to it. Yet by condoning it for so long they'll now have a much harder time trying to enforce copyright.

End of the day it's still a Gray area, which doesn't automatically mean that it's to always be on Atlus's side or anyone else's for that matter.


Also the side for Atlus doesn't get to call games as movies and then decide when they aren't either. Games are games full stop.

By whatever name you want to call it, that doesn't mean that Atlus would have any less right than Marvel to not have someone showcase the entire story they wrote on youtube or Twitch.

Although it doesn't seem like that's what this is about per say. It doesn't seem to be about monetization, but about preventing spoilers to be spread to a degree.

I can understand them not wanting youtube videos with blatant spoilers in the title. But just streaming it into a VOD (with an apprpriate title) seems fine to me. If you go to a P5 stream, you should expect spoilers.

Perhaps they will lift this restriction after a certain amount of time has passed?



Hiku said:

By whatever name you want to call it, that doesn't mean that Atlus would have any less right than Marvel to not have someone showcase the entire story they wrote on youtube or Twitch.

Although it doesn't seem like that's what this is about per say. It doesn't seem to be about monetization, but about preventing spoilers to be spread to a degree.

I can understand them not wanting youtube videos with blatant spoilers in the title. But just streaming it into a VOD (with an apprpriate title) seems fine to me. If you go to a P5 stream, you should expect spoilers.

Perhaps they will lift this restriction after a certain amount of time has passed?

And that's comparing Marvel to a video game company, again video games are not movies or comic books either. Mixing both of them into a Gray area is absically trying to make the area not apepar grey, but appear more within the rights of one side than the other.


The main thing is that people should be going out and playing the games, not searching youtube all the time for anything related to P5, trailer and all, they should be playing the game from start to end. I don't think it's entirely fair to adhere to the spoiler free crowd than it is for everyone else. When these types of topics come up, it's always those that greatly dislike spoilers and they want the job of ignoring them done for them, rather than doing what anyone else could have done for countless centuries and just simply turn the other way or even place more barriers of their own, rather than having the barriers put up against everyone instead. We've already had a thread that showcases an addon for multiple browsers for those who wish to block out spoilers, that solution alone benefits the one not wanting to see any spoilers, all without trying to block it for everyone else. 

 

If they lift the restriction after a few months, then what's to stop all the others from pulling the same stunt, so then in the end if does come full circle to what I was just talking about. That one small group (small enough to not see see public outrage about it 24/7) that wants everything blocked for their own sake while thinking everyone on the planet wants what they want. 

I love how Youtube is going about blocking videos for people of certain ages, like a parental restrction system, that system goes into the hands of those who wish to use it, rather than YT enforcing it over absolutely anyone. It's better for the spoiler free people to have the option to block said spoilers than it is to let them have control over what anyone else could watch. The last thing the itnernet needs is a small group controlling it. 



                                       

VGPolyglot said:
Yeah, like they'll be able to enforce that!

then test them, u dummy.



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quezkatolen said:
VGPolyglot said:
Yeah, like they'll be able to enforce that!

then test them, u dummy.

I can't, I don't have the game.



archer9234 said:


deskpro2k3 said:

I'm going to have to disagree with that because just like movies, there are games out there that is heavy on story, your overall experience diminishes if you know all the plot twist, secrets and ending beforehand.

No. You are wrong. Not everyone thinks that way. I decide if I want to spoil information about a movie/game etc. or not. Example: I still haven't watch Star Wars 7. I'm waiting for all 3 films to be complete. Then buy the boxset. Guess what: I decided I didn't care if I read some spoilers. I know Han dies, and why. Still buying the movies, once all 3 are done.

Congratulations, I guess.

Seriously though, I never said everyone thinks that way. I said your overall experience diminishes if you know all the spoilers. To say that is not true is a lie. I do not believe you..

If i knew Han Solo was going to die before I watch the movie I won't be shocked and surprised when it happens no matter how many times I rewatch it.



deskpro2k3 said:

archer9234 said:


No. You are wrong. Not everyone thinks that way. I decide if I want to spoil information about a movie/game etc. or not. Example: I still haven't watch Star Wars 7. I'm waiting for all 3 films to be complete. Then buy the boxset. Guess what: I decided I didn't care if I read some spoilers. I know Han dies, and why. Still buying the movies, once all 3 are done.

Congratulations, I guess.

Seriously though, I never said everyone thinks that way. I said your overall experience diminishes if you know all the spoilers. To say that is not true is a lie. I do not believe you..

I don't know. I almost always read the plot of the movie before I watch it, and I still enjoy it. I also watched at least 4 playthroughs of the first Silent Hill before I played it myself, and I still really enjoyed it.



VGPolyglot said:
deskpro2k3 said:

Congratulations, I guess.

Seriously though, I never said everyone thinks that way. I said your overall experience diminishes if you know all the spoilers. To say that is not true is a lie. I do not believe you..

I don't know. I almost always read the plot of the movie before I watch it, and I still enjoy it. I also watched at least 4 playthroughs of the first Silent Hill before I played it myself, and I still really enjoyed it.

I'm willing to bet you would've enjoyed it even more if you didn't watch playthroughs. Maybe it'll be more scary that way.



archer9234 said:
Nautilus said:

What are you disagreeing with me about?I just said that this measure is too extreme.

What I said is that I UNDERSTAND where they are comming from.I understand what the developers are feeling.They want you to experience the game as it should be, not treat it "as a movie".They poured they soul and years of work in this, after all.But this is still a choice that people can make, and trying to scare off streamers just wont work.

Atlus' argument still makes no sense. That's what I'm arguing about. People have choices. Just because atlus gets butt hurt, that someone wants to know the answer. Doesn't make it acceptable, to be an ass to people. And abuse the content ID system, on youtube.

Why not?Wether it is right or not, its Atlus prerogative to try and hold all streamers from streaming, wether that a good idea or not, or even a nice thing to do.Much like Nintendo and its relation to youtube, outside of reviews and fair use, Atlus can do whatever they want with their IPs.Videogame as a media is a bit different in the sense about streaming and videos about games, because usually games thrive on being shown to the public(as in, that usually translates to sales, because people get interested in the game, which is much different to other medias, as movies), but if Atlus dosent want to, they can do it.

It can be an ass move or whatever, but it makes sense, as I said before, though it dosent make it right or wrong.