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Soundwave said:
zorg1000 said:

Not sure if you saw Rol point it out but Nintendo has actually sold more hardware than Sony has since Sony has entered the hardware market.

As of March 1995 (a few months after PS1 launched in Japan), Nintendo had shipped roughly 140 million units of hardware between NES, SNES & Gameboy. Now the gap is 200 million in favor of Nintendo meaning that Sony has not closed the gap at all.

Also not sure if you realize this but Sony is also set to start selling one type of console (they said they dont see a future for a Vita successor).

Two product lines favored Nintendo, 1 versus 1 favors Sony. 

Per system Sony has a higher average than Nintendo does, Sony simply doesn't make as much hardware. 

It doesn't really seem like to me Nintendo/MS are able to do much of anything to keep a Playstation home console (main line) from selling 80-100+ million. Sony is a beast when it comes to the home market, they have owned it more or less since 1995 onward and they don't need to rely on fads/crazes to get consistently get those numbers so it's almost like money in the bank for them. 

Portables are on shakier ground, tablets/smartphones represent a huge sea change in entertainment options available to people on the go. When I was a kid all you had was maybe a WalkMan with 2-3 cassette tapes or a book/comic books to compete against a Game Boy. Obviously things have changed massively, I'm not sure if game-only portable devices will ever have the same sway they once had even from 10 years ago. 

Even though the 3DS has obviously done better than the Wii U, we forget Nintendo actually lost more consumers from the DS to 3DS transition (90 million lost) than even the Wii to Wii U transition did. Mobile/tablet really did a number on that market. 

I think honestly it's just better to compare portables to portables and home consoles to home consoles, at least until Switch. A $99 Game Boy is not the same thing as selling a $300 PS2. 

+1 

 

Well said,  these are pretty much my thoughts.  You said it better then I ever could. 



zorg1000 said:
Robert_Downey_Jr. said:
Sony dominates and has closed the gap. With Nintendo only selling on type of console now (not handhelds and regular systems combined) and the handheld market having a questionable future I could see them rapidly catching up to Nintendo.

Not sure if you saw Rol point it out but Nintendo has actually sold more hardware than Sony has since Sony has entered the hardware market.

As of March 1995 (a few months after PS1 launched in Japan), Nintendo had shipped roughly 140 million units of hardware between NES, SNES & Gameboy. Now the gap is 200 million in favor of Nintendo meaning that Sony has not closed the gap at all.

Also not sure if you realize this but Sony is also set to start selling one type of console (they said they dont see a future for a Vita successor).

From that precise point yes, but Sony ended up selling more from the late 90s on at least I believe or at least since 2013



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Robert_Downey_Jr. said:
zorg1000 said:

Not sure if you saw Rol point it out but Nintendo has actually sold more hardware than Sony has since Sony has entered the hardware market.

As of March 1995 (a few months after PS1 launched in Japan), Nintendo had shipped roughly 140 million units of hardware between NES, SNES & Gameboy. Now the gap is 200 million in favor of Nintendo meaning that Sony has not closed the gap at all.

Also not sure if you realize this but Sony is also set to start selling one type of console (they said they dont see a future for a Vita successor).

From that precise point yes, but Sony ended up selling more from the late 90s on at least I believe or at least since 2013

Well you can switch the precise point to 2000 or 2005 or 2008 or 2011 and it still remains in Nintendo's favor. Its only been since 2014 that Sony has started outselling Nintendo on a yearly basis.

So yes, if we are only looking at the last 3 years rather than the last 8 or 12 or 15 or 20 than the gap has been closing.



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zorg1000 said:
Robert_Downey_Jr. said:

From that precise point yes, but Sony ended up selling more from the late 90s on at least I believe or at least since 2013

Well you can switch the precise point to 2000 or 2005 or 2008 or 2011 and it still remains in Nintendo's favor. Its only been since 2014 that Sony has started outselling Nintendo on a yearly basis.

So yes, if we are only looking at the last 3 years rather than the last 8 or 12 or 15 or 20 than the gap has been closing.

513 million is what I get when I add up Nintendo hardware ... Game Boy Color (49m) + GBA (81m) + DS (154m) + 3DS (60m) + N64 (33m) + GCN (22m) + Wii (100m) + Wii U (14m) - 8 different systems. 

PS1 (102m) + PS2 (157m) + PS3 (86m) + PS4 (55m) + PSP (81m) + Vita (15m) = approximately 500 million from 6 different systems. 

There's not much of a gap here at all, if Sony had a portable system from 1996-2004, they'd likely be in the lead. 

Also how was Sony not outselling Nintendo during the PS1 + PS2 era ... PS1 + PS2 = 200 million (we'll cut off even the last 50m from the PS2). GBC + GBA + N64 + GCN is below that. 



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Soundwave said:
zorg1000 said:

Well you can switch the precise point to 2000 or 2005 or 2008 or 2011 and it still remains in Nintendo's favor. Its only been since 2014 that Sony has started outselling Nintendo on a yearly basis.

So yes, if we are only looking at the last 3 years rather than the last 8 or 12 or 15 or 20 than the gap has been closing.

513 million is what I get when I add up Nintendo hardware ... Game Boy Color (49m) + GBA (81m) + DS (154m) + 3DS (60m) + N64 (33m) + GCN (22m) + Wii (100m) + Wii U (14m) - 8 different systems. 

PS1 (102m) + PS2 (157m) + PS3 (86m) + PS4 (55m) + PSP (81m) + Vita (15m) = approximately 500 million from 6 different systems. 

There's not much of a gap here at all, if Sony had a portable system from 1996-2004, they'd likely be in the lead. 

Also how was Sony not outselling Nintendo during the PS1 + PS2 era ... PS1 + PS2 = 200 million (we'll cut off even the last 50m from the PS2). GBC + GBA + N64 + GCN is below that. 

Since 1995, Nintendo has sold more hardware than Sony.

Since 2000, Nintendo has sold more hardware than Sony.

Since 2005, Nintendo has sold more hardware than Sony.

Since 2008, Nintendo has sold more hardware than Sony.

Since 2011, Sony has sold more hardware than Nintendo.

 

Sure, we can play the what if game all we want, it doesnt change facts.



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Impressive milestone, well deserved.



Jazz2K said:
Impressive milestone, well deserved.

indeed, I have had alot of good memories from Playstation these last 20 or so years. Hopefully we see another 20 great years of the Playstation brand.



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zorg1000 said:
Soundwave said:

513 million is what I get when I add up Nintendo hardware ... Game Boy Color (49m) + GBA (81m) + DS (154m) + 3DS (60m) + N64 (33m) + GCN (22m) + Wii (100m) + Wii U (14m) - 8 different systems. 

PS1 (102m) + PS2 (157m) + PS3 (86m) + PS4 (55m) + PSP (81m) + Vita (15m) = approximately 500 million from 6 different systems. 

There's not much of a gap here at all, if Sony had a portable system from 1996-2004, they'd likely be in the lead. 

Also how was Sony not outselling Nintendo during the PS1 + PS2 era ... PS1 + PS2 = 200 million (we'll cut off even the last 50m from the PS2). GBC + GBA + N64 + GCN is below that. 

Since 1995, Nintendo has sold more hardware than Sony.

Since 2000, Nintendo has sold more hardware than Sony.

Since 2005, Nintendo has sold more hardware than Sony.

Since 2008, Nintendo has sold more hardware than Sony.

Since 2011, Sony has sold more hardware than Nintendo.

 

Sure, we can play the what if game all we want, it doesnt change facts.

Yes, ok, lol, but if you look at context for one the statements of Nintendo creating some huge gap are false, and secondly I do think it's fair to point out Nintendo has had 8 hardware platforms since 1995 to get just a bit over 500 million in that time.  The gap is small overall. 

Like for instance lets just say for whatever reason the DS didn't exist and you compared Wii to PS3 + PSP, I'm sure you would quickly point out that's unfair because it's two hardware lines versus one. 

Sony has hit 500 million with 2 fewer hardware systems in that time, really the difference boils down to Sony not having a portable from 1995-2004, not because Sony isn't as good or arguably a better hardware seller than Nintendo is. 

Sony is by far the most consistent hardware seller in the business, they've only had one hardware ever sell under 80 million (safe bet PS4 will go over 80m), that's an unheard of level of consistency in this industry.

If you want to actually compare Sony Vs. Nintendo in relevant head to head systems we get

PS1 (102m) vs. N64 (33m)

PS2 (157m) vs. GCN (22m)

PS3 (86m) vs. Wii (101m)

PSP (80m) vs DS (154m)

Vita (15m) vs 3DS (60m)

PS4 (55m) vs Wii U (14m)

Sony is a bit over 100 million ahead and even with the phenomonal success of the Wii/DS era and these numbers are even less flattering when you consider the PS4 likely has another 50-60 million units to sell. The GB/GBA having no Sony equivalent for about 9 years are what keep Nintendo in the picture. 



Soundwave said:

Yes, ok, lol, but if you look at context for one the statements of Nintendo creating some huge gap are false, and secondly I do think it's fair to point out Nintendo has had 8 hardware platforms since 1995 to get just a bit over 500 million in that time.  

Like for instance lets just say for whatever reason the DS didn't exist and you compared Wii to PS3 + PSP, I'm sure you would quickly point out that's unfair because it's two hardware lines versus one. 

Sony has hit 500 million with 2 fewer hardware systems in that time, really the difference boils down to Sony not having a portable from 1995-2004, not because Sony isn't as good or arguably a better hardware seller than Nintendo is. 

Sony is by far the most consistent hardware seller in the business, they've only had one hardware ever sell under 80 million, that's an unheard of level of consistency in this industry.

Nintendo's consistency is better. Seven straight generations in the home console market, presence in the handheld console market since its inception. Plus a streak of being undefeated in the handheld market.

Sony's longest streak of wins is two generations, happened in the home console market. Nintendo's longest streak there is also two.



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