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Will Sony try something like this again?

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flashfire926 said:
You did get it right. The PS4 pro did fail. If it didn't fail, Sony would have gave out sales numbers abundantly. Xbox did a similar thing in late 2014 (not that Xbox One was failing, but they were and still are getting obliterated by Sony, and sales numbers would make them look bad).

People asking for proof of Pro's failure should think why Sony isn't talking about it too much.

I think you should should take your own advice here.
What conclusions did you reach other than "must have failed"? Because it looks like you didn't think any further than that.

What other reasons do companies have for not divulging sales figures for every model and revision, even when they meet sales expectations? Especially when it comes to models aimed at a smaller demographic? I'll give you a hint. Splitting sales figures.

“PS4 Pro is running as we had expected, as we assumed, but Pro maybe is doing more than we anticipated,” Yoshida told investors (via DualShockers).
https://www.vg247.com/2017/02/03/ps4-pro-sales-are-stronger-than-that-of-ps4-slim-says-sony-cfo/

Apple tells us exactly how many iPhone 6S units they've sold, but they're not telling us exactly how much the Plus model specifically sold. That must mean that Iphone 6S Plus failed, right?
No, they brought back the Plus model again for iPhone 7.

Let's say Sony expected Pro to sell 10-15% of what the standard PS4 sells, and as they said in an interview the main target demographic was gamers who mid gen feel that console graphics are outdated and move to PC. And let's say Pro meets this sales expectation and seems to have the effect on the target demographic they hoped for.
Do you think Sony have more to gain or lose from announcing that Pro sold for example 1,3 million units so far? If you look around the internet, and even this thread, people's expectations of what the Pro needs to sell in order to be a success can vary greatly.



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zorg1000 said:

I dont see what part of this you dont understand. March is Q1, October is Q4..........that means PS2 was exclusive to Japan for 3 quarters.

Are you kidding me.... I literally spelt out the months for you between the launches. a quater is 3 months. There was exactly 6 months between its release in japan and north america. 6 months is two quaters. You are using some serious quaters twisting to arrive at 3 quaters based on dates as opposed to the actual time between the months. But to each their own.

 

Intrinsic said:

errrr........ ok.

The PS4 is still tracking better than the best selling console of all time. 

 

Yes, you brought up the launches aligned discussion.

 

And wait..... me saying the PS4 is tracking better than the best selling console of all time is your idea of me "bringing up the launch aligned discussion? lol.... ok.

Lets just leave this debate alone if you don't mind.



Mid-cycle upgrades can still make sense whenever CPU/GPU/APU production process refinements will allow to offer higher performances and lower prices and power consumption (that drives down a lot of other production costs too) than the components used in the launch models. It's more common to di these upgrades just for lower costs and power consumption, but if higher HW power for a premium model can be achieved too without totally redesigning consoles, premium model can happen, if their dev cost remains under control they don't require unreasonably high sales to at least break even and possibly profit a little too. Premium models also have some marketing return even for those that won't buy them, they help keeping the image of an up-to-date console.
The only condition to avoid real failure is to never let premium model development and production costs skyrocket.



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No, they learned from the half-step ps4 pro and will avoid going toe to toe with microsoft again.



Intrinsic said:
zorg1000 said:

I dont see what part of this you dont understand. March is Q1, October is Q4..........that means PS2 was exclusive to Japan for 3 quarters.

Are you kidding me.... I literally spelt out the months for you between the launches. a quater is 3 months. There was exactly 6 months between its release in japan and north america. 6 months is two quaters. You are using some serious quaters twisting to arrive at 3 quaters based on dates as opposed to the actual time between the months. But to each their own.

 

Intrinsic said:

errrr........ ok.

The PS4 is still tracking better than the best selling console of all time. 

 

Yes, you brought up the launches aligned discussion.

 

And wait..... me saying the PS4 is tracking better than the best selling console of all time is your idea of me "bringing up the launch aligned discussion? lol.... ok.

Lets just leave this debate alone if you don't mind.

apparently you dont know how fiscal quarters work.

PS2 shipments end of March, 2000-1.41 million

PS2 shipments end of June, 2000-2.54 million

PS2 shipments end of Sept, 2000-3.52 million

How could PS2 have 3 quarters of shipment data if it was only available for 2 quarters? When PS2 released in the US, it was in its 4th quarter in Japan.

Also March 3 to October 28 (the Japan & US launch dates) is a week under 8 months, not 6 months.

 

 

Yes, tracking ahead of & doing better launches aligned actually mean the same thing, you brought up the discussion that you later claimed to not understand.



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they better dont
it is anticonsumer practice



wolflink said:
they better dont
it is anticonsumer practice

How is offering up different options anticonsumer?



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zorg1000 said:

PS4 is tracking far behind PS2 & Wii at this point in its life

Above PS2.



KingofTrolls said:
zorg1000 said:

PS4 is tracking far behind PS2 & Wii at this point in its life

Above PS2.

already went over this, no its not



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