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Will Sony try something like this again?

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jason1637 said:
You're a troll

Atta boy.

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RolStoppable said:

Your comparison does not account for staggered launches which obviously puts the PS4 at an advantage. Aligning the launches by region puts the PS2 ahead of the PS4 by about 10m and that margin is only going to grow in the PS2's favor because it had higher peak years than the PS4 is going to have.

Xbox One is not doing fine. If it was, then Microsoft would have not decided to hide its numbers.

No idea how you've come to the conclusion that the console market is the healthiest it's ever been when four of the five eighth generation systems have seen significant declines over their respective predecessors while the one system that is going to beat its predecessor will only do so by a rather small margin. The state of the eighth generation is lackluster which is why all console manufacturers have opted to come up with ways to increase revenue per customer. One of these methods is to put out more hardware revisions to make people double-dip on hardware and make the hardware numbers look better than they really are.

The PS4 has already one model more than the PS2 had, but it's not going to stop there. Sony will put out at least one more revision because they don't have a choice in light of the sales they are getting. And mind you, the PS4 is the most successful system out of the sad bunch in the eighth generation. It's going to need more than the three models it has had so far in order to cross the 100m mark, and Sony will release at least one more revision.

ok, answe this simple question..... why did they have staggered launches back in the day? 

If you truly understand why, then you would know why its not an unfair way to make a comparison.



vivster said:
zorg1000 said:

PS4 is tracking far behind PS2 & Wii at this point in its life

Source? Looked quite different the last time I saw a comparison chart.

Official shipment data.

like i said to intrinsic, its only ahead of PS2 if you ignore that PS2 was only available in Japan in its first 3 quarters.



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PS4 had a perfect take off and has had nothing but clear skies the entire way. They have been making such good time they actually decided to stop at the 8 hour mark for a break, but also to allow passengers the option to transfer to a newer/faster plane that will get them to their destination even sooner, for an extra price. Both planes have taken off again and are at about the 10 hour mark now.

XB1 had some problems on take off due to being overweight, so they had to land again and remove some hardware/refuel before they could get back in the air. Due to this, they have been caught in some turbulence almost non stop along the way, but also will be making a stop around the 10 hour mark for a break and to offer a faster trip on a new concorde due to the delay, for an extra price.

Switch had a later departure, has taken off smooth, and the weather is clear as far as the pilots can see, but the radar shows potential turbulence in the distance, and this is a smaller plane on the same 16 hour flight. Luckily the pilots are veterans, and the plane can dive and transform into a boat to avoid the darkened skies, as well as offer a different type of travel if the passengers so choose, so the crew has good odds of avoiding too much trouble, but what kind of shape the passengers will be in at that time is questionable. Will they decide to stop and offer a faster plane as well, or maybe a speedboat perhaps?

I don't see the new model changing much. Upgrades are becoming the norm everywhere, and have been the norm in some sectors for quite some time. Unless another proven successful format arises, upgrades will remain for a few gens anyway.



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Intrinsic said:

ok, answe this simple question..... why did they have staggered launches back in the day? 

If you truly understand why, then you would know why its not an unfair way to make a comparison.

Because it's easier to prepare launches by doing one region at a time. The PS4 had a staggered launch as well, in case you forgot.

Aligning the launches by region and then adding them up to global sales makes the most sense to do comparisons. Otherwise you are looking at nonsense like the early PSP vs. PSV comparisons that had people go "Oh, the Vita isn't doing bad. It's tracking at a similar pace.", when in reality Vita's worldwide sales were compared to only the PSP's Japanese sales, because the PSP had a differently staggered launch. Anyone who used the method of aligning launches by region could see how awful the Vita was really doing, because that method painted a more accurate picture.

Likewise, in the case of the PS2 vs. PS4, your comparison shows the PS4 ahead which implies that the PS4 has a realistic shot at matching the PS2. Aligning launches by region, however, shows that the PS4 has already fallen behind by a significant margin which puts the PS4's chances to match the PS2 at very slim to none. The latter method is a more accurate reflection of the situation and allows better analyses as well as predictions.



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Intrinsic said:
RolStoppable said:

Your comparison does not account for staggered launches which obviously puts the PS4 at an advantage. Aligning the launches by region puts the PS2 ahead of the PS4 by about 10m and that margin is only going to grow in the PS2's favor because it had higher peak years than the PS4 is going to have.

Xbox One is not doing fine. If it was, then Microsoft would have not decided to hide its numbers.

No idea how you've come to the conclusion that the console market is the healthiest it's ever been when four of the five eighth generation systems have seen significant declines over their respective predecessors while the one system that is going to beat its predecessor will only do so by a rather small margin. The state of the eighth generation is lackluster which is why all console manufacturers have opted to come up with ways to increase revenue per customer. One of these methods is to put out more hardware revisions to make people double-dip on hardware and make the hardware numbers look better than they really are.

The PS4 has already one model more than the PS2 had, but it's not going to stop there. Sony will put out at least one more revision because they don't have a choice in light of the sales they are getting. And mind you, the PS4 is the most successful system out of the sad bunch in the eighth generation. It's going to need more than the three models it has had so far in order to cross the 100m mark, and Sony will release at least one more revision.

ok, answe this simple question..... why did they have staggered launches back in the day? 

If you truly understand why, then you would know why its not an unfair way to make a comparison.

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zorg1000 said:

Official shipment data.

like i said to intrinsic, its only ahead of PS2 if you ignore that PS2 was only available in Japan in its first 3 quarters.

The launch was staggered.... but you are exagerating here. PS2 had the market to itself in japan for 2 quaters tot 3 quaters.

RolStoppable said:

Because it's easier to prepare launches by doing one region at a time. The PS4 had a staggered launch as well, in case you forgot.

Aligning the launches by region and then adding them up to global sales makes the most sense to do comparisons. Otherwise you are looking at nonsense like the early PSP vs. PSV comparisons that had people go "Oh, the Vita isn't doing bad. It's tracking at a similar pace.", when in reality Vita's worldwide sales were compared to only the PSP's Japanese sales, because the PSP had a differently staggered launch. Anyone who used the method of aligning launches by region could see how awful the Vita was really doing, because that method painted a more accurate picture.

Likewise, in the case of the PS2 vs. PS4, your comparison shows the PS4 ahead which implies that the PS4 has a realistic shot at matching the PS2. Aligning launches by region, however, shows that the PS4 has already fallen behind by a significant margin which puts the PS4's chances to match the PS2 at very slim to none. The latter method is a more accurate reflection of the situation and allows better analyses as well as predictions.

This whole aligning launches while it may make sense if looking at it from a particular perspective, doesn't really make sense to me in the grand scheme of things. At the end of the day when you look at the PS2, its said it sold 150M or whatever. No one is gonna be talking about where it was released first or second or which countries it was even released in or not. It sold this much, period.

I do not expect the PS4 to sell as much as the PS2 did, but thats because I belive the world we are in now has a lot more competing for consumers money than the world we were in in the time of the PS2. But at the end of the day, when the PS5 is released or the PS4 stops being made/sold, we will say it had sold X amount of units. Simple as that.

This whole aligning launch thing is just a silly way of downplaying how its performing. Kinda as silly as saying nintendo is going to go bankrupt or out of the gaming business because its wiiU was a disaster while ignoring that it has something called the 3DS on the market.

The whole launch aligning thing just doesn't make sense to me. A sale is a sale. Every generation markets and consumer buying habits change. But at the end of the day, a sale is a sale. 

But hey, I know as usual we are gonna disagree with this whole thing. To me though, I just don't see it the way you do. Its never made sense to me before. And its not gonna start making sense to me now because as I have said when anyone looks back at any previous gen hardware, no one says anything about which region it released first or second.



Intrinsic said:
zorg1000 said:

Official shipment data.

like i said to intrinsic, its only ahead of PS2 if you ignore that PS2 was only available in Japan in its first 3 quarters.

The launch was staggered.... but you are exagerating here. PS2 had the market to itself in japan for 2 quaters tot 3 quaters.

RolStoppable said:

Because it's easier to prepare launches by doing one region at a time. The PS4 had a staggered launch as well, in case you forgot.

Aligning the launches by region and then adding them up to global sales makes the most sense to do comparisons. Otherwise you are looking at nonsense like the early PSP vs. PSV comparisons that had people go "Oh, the Vita isn't doing bad. It's tracking at a similar pace.", when in reality Vita's worldwide sales were compared to only the PSP's Japanese sales, because the PSP had a differently staggered launch. Anyone who used the method of aligning launches by region could see how awful the Vita was really doing, because that method painted a more accurate picture.

Likewise, in the case of the PS2 vs. PS4, your comparison shows the PS4 ahead which implies that the PS4 has a realistic shot at matching the PS2. Aligning launches by region, however, shows that the PS4 has already fallen behind by a significant margin which puts the PS4's chances to match the PS2 at very slim to none. The latter method is a more accurate reflection of the situation and allows better analyses as well as predictions.

This whole aligning launches while it may make sense if looking at it from a particular perspective, doesn't really make sense to me in the grand scheme of things. At the end of the day when you look at the PS2, its said it sold 150M or whatever. No one is gonna be talking about where it was released first or second or which countries it was even released in or not. It sold this much, period.

I do not expect the PS4 to sell as much as the PS2 did, but thats because I belive the world we are in now has a lot more competing for consumers money than the world we were in in the time of the PS2. But at the end of the day, when the PS5 is released or the PS4 stops being made/sold, we will say it had sold X amount of units. Simple as that.

This whole aligning launch thing is just a silly way of downplaying how its performing. Kinda as silly as saying nintendo is going to go bankrupt or out of the gaming business because its wiiU was a disaster while ignoring that it has something called the 3DS on the market.

The whole launch aligning thing just doesn't make sense to me. A sale is a sale. Every generation markets and consumer buying habits change. But at the end of the day, a sale is a sale. 

But hey, I know as usual we are gonna disagree with this whole thing. To me though, I just don't see it the way you do. Its never made sense to me before. And its not gonna start making sense to me now because as I have said when anyone looks back at any previous gen hardware, no one says anything about which region it released first or second.

Nope, 3 quarters. PS2 released in Q1 in Japan and Q4 in America/Europe. Thats 3 quarters of being exclusively in Japan.

Its not downplaying, its simply pointing out that PS4 is not outselling PS2 in the same timeframe by using the most logical way of comparing them.

If the whole launch aligned thing doesnt make sense to you than why did you bring it up in the first place?



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Intrinsic said:

This whole aligning launches while it may make sense if looking at it from a particular perspective, doesn't really make sense to me in the grand scheme of things. At the end of the day when you look at the PS2, its said it sold 150M or whatever. No one is gonna be talking about where it was released first or second or which countries it was even released in or not. It sold this much, period.

I do not expect the PS4 to sell as much as the PS2 did, but thats because I belive the world we are in now has a lot more competing for consumers money than the world we were in in the time of the PS2. But at the end of the day, when the PS5 is released or the PS4 stops being made/sold, we will say it had sold X amount of units. Simple as that.

This whole aligning launch thing is just a silly way of downplaying how its performing. Kinda as silly as saying nintendo is going to go bankrupt or out of the gaming business because its wiiU was a disaster while ignoring that it has something called the 3DS on the market.

The whole launch aligning thing just doesn't make sense to me. A sale is a sale. Every generation markets and consumer buying habits change. But at the end of the day, a sale is a sale. 

But hey, I know as usual we are gonna disagree with this whole thing. To me though, I just don't see it the way you do. Its never made sense to me before. And its not gonna start making sense to me now because as I have said when anyone looks back at any previous gen hardware, no one says anything about which region it released first or second.

This is a sales website. People here have always cared to make the most accurate comparisons. Launch alignment by region mattered ten years ago (or rather as far back as this site goes) and it still matters now. It never changed. Your insinuation that this is done to downplay systems is wrong, because launch alignment applies to all systems regardless of manufacturer.



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GarlandSteve74 said:

It's no secret that the PS4 Pro has flopped.

I've never seen a thread be so innaccurate so quickly.

You are wrong. Nothing more to discuss.

 

And yeah i think Sony will try again after ps5. Scorpio will show how much push for a mid gen console there can be going forward.