This. I've been using Nova for a while now and it's the first thing I'm going to instal when I get my next phone. Silly really to use a stock launcher than you can basically set up an android phone exactly how you want it.

As someone who repairs phones and tablets for a living I highly recommend anybody who gets this phone to get insurance on it as all of Samsung's edge phones are absolutely ridiculous to repair. You may as well buy a new phone if you crack it................

I stick with LG myself and have an LG G5 that I love. G6 is looking very impressive as well

With all of this said I think Samsung probably does have the "best" overall phones of any manufacturer but the fact they cost so much to repair makes it an automatic no from me. I know a lot of people are like "I am good to my phone it will never happen to me" but it can happen to anyone at anytime

Being "Old" is exactly the damn bloody point. You stated that Sony "Revolutionised" something.

If you had a heap of prior examples before Sony's release, then by it's very definition, Sony didn't revolutionize anything did they? Rather they copied someone else.

Not only did I thoroughly debunk your claim, you still defend Sony on that particular aspect. Seriously. Sony's phones aren't the best on the market.

got a redmi note 3 pro after my old nexus 5 was stolen. best decision ever .. so much hardware for so little money and a really good custom rom community. running android 7.1.1 without any bugs. right now there are often offers for redmi note 4 pro for about 150 euro or a mi 5s plus if you need power of a galaxy s7 edge.

Moto Z Force

- Unbreakable screen

- Android 7.0

- Moto Mods (attach a high quality camera, Speaker, projector, battery back, etc to the back of your phone with magnets. It's cooler than it sounds)

- powerful hardware under the hood

- Metal build

- thinnest phone on the market

- Same phone Angry Joe uses

Gotta agree with you- can't see how anyone would claim Sony did anything revolutionary in the smartphone industry.

Nothing really special- premium phones are outclassed, and their cheaper phones don't stack up to other phones like the oneplus, Nexus 5x, etc

I'm at a strict NO to all things Samsung. I was already at that before their exploding phones.

Wowzers you think you debunked it, how many internet points do you earn? All I'm saying is that after the Z other phone makers suddenly copied Sony's design philosophy. It's why Android phones all look the same now. Seriously we went from this

to this

Notice how the Xperia Z is the only classy phone with a clean UI, notice how they all evolved from their round shapes and design stuck in 2007 plastic and their ugly UIs to something sleeker looking after, they all copied from Sony. The only other company with an original design was HTC.

No reason for you to be salty about it though, Sony phones are one of the best Android phones out there. They were the only ones who put flagship specs in their compact versions while others gimped theirs.

So now you have shifted the goal posts... You have gone from saying that Sony revolutionised power button placement to now claiming it's the entire form factor? Are you being serious right now? Just admit you were wrong and leave it there rather than trying to shift the argument.

If Sony wasn't first with something, and other companies had released multiple devices with that button placement, then Sony didn't revolutionise button placement did they? It's the companies that beat Sony that "revolutionised" something as it was worth copying.

As for the form factor argument... I have one thing to say to that: lol
A square rectangle with rounded edges isn't a form factor that Sony revolutionised. There is only so many ways you can make a rectangle a rectangle.

If anything, they copied LG on the form Factor when LG released the LG Prada back in 2007 a few weeks before the iPhone... And had demonstrated the Phone back in 2006. (And LG Claims that the iPhone copies the Prada. But I digress.)

You're mixing up the Force and the regular Moto Z here a bit. The regular Moto Z is the thinnest phone on the market. The Force is a bit thicker.

Great phones though. I love the shatterproof display on the Force, but it does make the screen a little dull.