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Forums - Politics Discussion - Republicans Vote To Allow Internet Providers to Sell Your Browsing History

Normchacho on 30 March 2017
Gourmet said:
This is ridiculously exaggerated. All that happened is cancelling an Obama bill from december 2016 that's in effect since january. Which was clearly rushed and also contains a lot of anti-consumer stuff.

Alright, calling your bluff. Lets see your evidence.



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Baalzamon on 30 March 2017

Isn't our data already utilized? I thought that is how we got targeted ads. How is this different than that?



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JRPGfan on 30 March 2017
SpokenTruth said:
I just wonder how bills like this are even thought up, drafted, approved for vote and then actually voted into law.

Someone had to sit there and think, "I want a law that will allow ISPs to sell user browser history." But of course, that's not how it happens. An ISP writes up the bill, throws a bunch of money at some congressmen and urges them to push it in Congress.

A lobbist that works for big companies that want to make money selling it, go around and "talk" to politicans, and discretely offer them bags of money.

That would be my guess.

*edit:

sparticus112b said:
"The only people who seem to want this are the people who are going to make lots of money from it. (Hint: they work for companies like Comcast, Verizon, and AT&T.) Incidentally, these people and their companies routinely give lots of money to members of Congress.

So here is a list of the lawmakers who voted to betray you, and how much money they received from the telecom industry in their most recent election cycle."

http://www.theverge.com/2017/3/29/15100620/congress-fcc-isp-web-browsing-privacy-fire-sale

Yep.... names and how much they "cost" to buy.

Disgracefull that companies can "buy" away peoples freedom in the USA.



JRPGfan on 30 March 2017
Baalzamon said:
Isn't our data already utilized? I thought that is how we got targeted ads. How is this different than that?

Ads tracking people and collecting info on sites you visit that run ads, is very differnt than your internet provider selling any and all data on you.

The scope is very differnt for one thing. Also pretty sure before hand there where laws that protected you as a citizen, with reguards to how that stuff was used, and who it was sold too. Now thats gone (judgeing by title of thread).

*edit: Im not sure.



The_Yoda on 30 March 2017
Baalzamon said:
Isn't our data already utilized? I thought that is how we got targeted ads. How is this different than that?

From what i read nothing changes with the exception that the FCC can't try to pass this sort of thing again .. still seems like a step forward then a step right back.  I very well could be missing something though



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JRPGfan on 30 March 2017
The_Yoda said:
Baalzamon said:
Isn't our data already utilized? I thought that is how we got targeted ads. How is this different than that?

From what i read nothing changes with the exception that the FCC can't try to pass this sort of thing again .. still seems like a step forward then a step right back.  I very well could be missing something though

Theres a guy trying to crowdfund buying congress members data (that voted for this):

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lci2sASqmJ8

 

*edit:

Not actually sure how much changed.. its all crazy to me.



jason1637 on 30 March 2017

Not a big deal. Internet providers are already able to see what sites you use and they can share this data with advertisers already.



fatslob-:O on 30 March 2017
Nymeria said:

Except, for many Americans there is no "other ISP" they can switch to due to monopolies in areas.  This is also why after Time Warner bought up the local internet companies my internet went from $20 to $30 to $40 to $60/month over past three years for the exact same speed and worse service.

Then start up your own ISP ... 

Machiavellian said:

So exactly how do people who only have one ISP do what you are suggesting.  Also since all the players do not have to disclose what they are doing how will you know who is selling your info.  What you will see is that now there will be a tiered system where you will need to spend more money for a VPN in order to op out of this crap.  When all said and done, the question is not if you are concerned about what just went down, it's what are you going to do to show you are concerned.

Anyway, Republicans feel people will forget about this and keep voting down party lines so they are good to go or there will be the apologist who just find a way to rationalize what happen.  Either way, we will see if that majority is kept if they continue to go for the money.

@Bold Look at my response in the above post ... 

You already know who is selling your info, check with the ISP you registered with ...  

And the question is very much if you are concerned with what went down. People need to understand the ramifications of relying on other peoples infrastructure. Personally speaking I'm okay with the compromise considering since the likes of Microsoft and Apple has even more capabilities to invade our digital privacy than what this bill could ever do for ISPs when OSVs have backdoors to your Windows system, Xbox One, and iOS ...  



VGPolyglot on 30 March 2017
fatslob-:O said:
Nymeria said:

Except, for many Americans there is no "other ISP" they can switch to due to monopolies in areas.  This is also why after Time Warner bought up the local internet companies my internet went from $20 to $30 to $40 to $60/month over past three years for the exact same speed and worse service.

Then start up your own ISP ... 

Machiavellian said:

So exactly how do people who only have one ISP do what you are suggesting.  Also since all the players do not have to disclose what they are doing how will you know who is selling your info.  What you will see is that now there will be a tiered system where you will need to spend more money for a VPN in order to op out of this crap.  When all said and done, the question is not if you are concerned about what just went down, it's what are you going to do to show you are concerned.

Anyway, Republicans feel people will forget about this and keep voting down party lines so they are good to go or there will be the apologist who just find a way to rationalize what happen.  Either way, we will see if that majority is kept if they continue to go for the money.

@Bold Look at my response in the above post ... 

You already know who is selling your info, check with the ISP you registered with ...  

And the question is very much if you are concerned with what went down. People need to understand the ramifications of relying on other peoples infrastructure. Personally speaking I'm okay with the compromise considering since the likes of Microsoft and Apple has even more capabilities to invade our digital privacy than what this bill could ever do for ISPs when OSVs have backdoors to your Windows system, Xbox One, and iOS ...  

Ah yes, like we're all millionaires that can afford to startup our own ISP.



The_Yoda on 30 March 2017
JRPGfan said:
The_Yoda said:

From what i read nothing changes with the exception that the FCC can't try to pass this sort of thing again .. still seems like a step forward then a step right back.  I very well could be missing something though

Theres a guy trying to crowdfund buying congress members data (that voted for this):

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lci2sASqmJ8

 

*edit:

Not actually sure how much changed.. its all crazy to me.

Nice - the telecoms will give him nothing, so I would imagine anyone donating would be throwing their money away but i like the idea