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Soundwave said:
Airaku said:

In terms of obesity, I'm pretty sure in terms of statistics and ratios the rate is fairly similar. Fast food reigns supreme in both countries. Though the states do have more attractive choices, Sonics is awesome and their Taco Bell is by far better. In Canada A&W is light years ahead of the one in the states.


Driving down the street in either country should net you about the same ratio of fat peeps waddling down the street.

Americans are way fatter from what I've seen. There are fat people in Canada but nowhere near as common. Also the serving portions between the two countries is a huge difference. 

I watch a lot of old movies with my wife. It's crazy. People who were considered fat in the 70s and 80s look perfectly normal now. People who are fat now were darn near circus attractions back then!



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Airaku said:
NATO said:

Because Canadians are on average thinner.

just saying what everyone's thinking.

In terms of obesity, I'm pretty sure in terms of statistics and ratios the rate is fairly similar. Fast food reigns supreme in both countries. Though the states do have more attractive choices, Sonics is awesome and their Taco Bell is by far better. In Canada A&W is light years ahead of the one in the states.


Driving down the street in either country should net you about the same ratio of fat peeps waddling down the street.

A&W is the champion of fast food! Teen burgers are my absolute favorite



RJ_Sizzle said:
In my mind Canada is full of beer, hockey, moose, free healthcare and maple syrup... no worries at all. It all sounds stress free and relaxing.

Don't forget poutine!



NATO said:

Because Canadians are on average thinner.

just saying what everyone's thinking.

Not true.

 

Have you ever heard of poutine?



While title is misleading, I will say that Canada and many other 1st world countries have bans on food products that America still allows. Even China bans some of the substances we have in our food.



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sonnyb123 said:
NATO said:

Because Canadians are on average thinner.

just saying what everyone's thinking.

Not true.

 

Have you ever heard of poutine?

Ever heard of Simply Sara?

(psst, she's american)

"US patients with private insurance had a similar life expectancy as their Canadian counterparts, whereas Canadians had a 44% lower death rate than Americans on Medicaid"

Seems like an argument against single-payer being the solution here, considering an American single-payer system would be much more like Medicaid than Medicare. But really all this tells us is that poor people whom qualify for Medicaid die sooner than those in higher socioeconomic statuses. Medicaid is available to them after all. And considering that the relationship between healthcare coverage and life-expectancy is second order to many other variables (diet, risky lifestyle, etc) in general, it is not surprising that it is true for those with CF.

Anyway, a lot of the lower American healthcare results can be explained by lifestyle. Just look at the discrepancies between the Southeast and the Northeastern states in life expectancy, even for people with access to insurance and of the same socioeconomic background.



Rab said:
NightDragon83 said:
Try adding 10x the current number of people to the Canadian health care system of all kinds of different economic and cultural backgrounds and then see how well it fares. That's basically what would happen if you tried to replicate the Canadian health care system in the US.

I'm not sure I undertand your reasoning, wouldnt Canada's health system be scalable ?

 

In 2006, per-capita spending for health care in Canada was US$3,678; in the U.S. it's US$6,714. The U.S. spent 15.3% of GDP on healthcare in that year; Canada spent only 10.0%

The US is spending far more per-capita and has the resources, just look at the military budget, but the US still gets worse health outcomes  

The argument is that there is a diseconomies of scale in providing for 320 million people versus a few million (Canada's single-payer is funded on the provincial level.) If this weren't the case, then Canada would have a national system, which it does not. Americans spend more on healthcare because they demand luxury care (amazing ly comfortable hospitals; end of life care ; etc.) Single-payer systems don't provide this, and it is hard to imagine a national single-payer system which would provide all of the various drugs and benefits needed in the same way that competing insurance companies would. Multi payer in the vein of Switzerland or the Netherlands seems like the way to go.



Yet another reason to move to canada



Pemalite said:
Rab said:

I'm not sure I undertand your reasoning, wouldnt Canada's health system be scalable ?

 

In 2006, per-capita spending for health care in Canada was US$3,678; in the U.S. it's US$6,714. The U.S. spent 15.3% of GDP on healthcare in that year; Canada spent only 10.0%

The US is spending far more per-capita and has the resources, just look at the military budget, but the US still gets worse health outcomes  

And that's not just limited to Canada vs USA either.

The USA spends roughly 2.5x the OECD average on Healthcare, yet it's health results rank lower.

The USA health system is slow, inefficient, ineffective and expensive.


How is the US's system slower? That is certainly a new criticism, and a bit laughable considering you're comparing it to Canada.

The US's healthcare system is no different from any other private industry. If you can afford it, you can get whatever level of care you want. 



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