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GhaudePhaede010 said:
Lafiel said:

no, we have clear die shots of the Switch SoC and a Tegra X1, they are identical

What does the X2 look like?

there is no X2 in commercial use, so we don't know - it won't look the same as the X1, it uses different CPU cores, a different GPU architecture and has a wider memory bus (all of which should be visibly different in a die shot)

and it's been designed for 16nm process, while the Switch SoC is manufactured in 20nm (like the X1)



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GhaudePhaede010 said:
Captain_Yuri said:

Lol. I watched the video and I cringed. Yea he doesn't know anything

While I believe you, I would like to know what he is wrong about. See, my way of thinking is (and call it hopeful thinking) that someone that is smarter than me says something, I say, "that could be logical" and then someone else that is smarter than me tells me why what the other person said is nonsense and I go, "OK, now THAT makes more sense" but instead, I have not gotten that. I prefer to go with clarity. I am not smart enough to just take sides, I need it to be dumbed down for me otherwise, I can be fooled.

Here I will give you an example since he has quite a few things wrong

For example, he is saying that the Switch consumes 7.5 Watts of Power while in Portable mode and the Tegra X2 consumes 7.5 Watts of Power. Thus making it the same. But the lolz worthy part about that is the Switch consumes 7.5 Watts of power in portable mode because it underclocks itself where as Tegra X2 consumes 7.5 Watts of Power (According to nvidia) in full performance mode.

He also says that the minimum for the X1 is going to be 15 Watts which is wrong cause a) According to Nvidia's own post which he linked, it's rated at 10 Watts (granted it can go up) and b) underclocking results in lower watts/TDP. 

So yea... That's just one of the many points he is wrong in... He has no clue what he is talking about



                  

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Captain_Yuri said:
GhaudePhaede010 said:

While I believe you, I would like to know what he is wrong about. See, my way of thinking is (and call it hopeful thinking) that someone that is smarter than me says something, I say, "that could be logical" and then someone else that is smarter than me tells me why what the other person said is nonsense and I go, "OK, now THAT makes more sense" but instead, I have not gotten that. I prefer to go with clarity. I am not smart enough to just take sides, I need it to be dumbed down for me otherwise, I can be fooled.

Here I will give you an example since he has quite a few things wrong

For example, he is saying that the Switch consumes 7.5 Watts of Power while in Portable mode and the Tegra X2 consumes 7.5 Watts of Power. Thus making it the same. But the lolz worthy part about that is the Switch consumers 7.5 Watts of power in portable mode because it underclocks itself where as Tegra X2 consumes 7.5 Watts of Power (According to nvidia) in full performance mode.

He also says that the minimum for the X1 is going to be 15 Watts which is wrong cause a) According to Nvidia's own post which he linked, it's rated at 10 Watts (granted it can go up) and b) underclocking results in lower watts/TDP. 

So yea... That's just one of the many points he is wrong in... He has no clue what he is talking about

2 things:

1) You managed to confuse me.

2) That leads me to believe you are correct.

Thank you.



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GhaudePhaede010 said:
Captain_Yuri said:

Here I will give you an example since he has quite a few things wrong

For example, he is saying that the Switch consumes 7.5 Watts of Power while in Portable mode and the Tegra X2 consumes 7.5 Watts of Power. Thus making it the same. But the lolz worthy part about that is the Switch consumers 7.5 Watts of power in portable mode because it underclocks itself where as Tegra X2 consumes 7.5 Watts of Power (According to nvidia) in full performance mode.

He also says that the minimum for the X1 is going to be 15 Watts which is wrong cause a) According to Nvidia's own post which he linked, it's rated at 10 Watts (granted it can go up) and b) underclocking results in lower watts/TDP. 

So yea... That's just one of the many points he is wrong in... He has no clue what he is talking about

2 things:

1) You managed to confuse me.

2) That leads me to believe you are correct.

Thank you.

Loll np

I guess the easiest way to explain it is, the switch slows itself down so that it can consume less power where as the X2 doesn't need to slow down to consume the same amount of power the switch does when the switch slows down. Hopefully that makes it more understandable.



                  

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GhaudePhaede010 said:
Soundwave said:

No this version seems to be the Tegra X1.

I think Nintendo will switch to Tegra X2 to future Switch revisions in 2018 once it becomes more mass produced.

Even if they don't enable it's higher performance modes, the Tegra X2 can run the same stuff the Tegra X1 just at a much lower electrical consumption, so using that chip could bump your battery life to 5-7 hours without basically no fuss. 

This is the interesting part because his video explains that the power consumption is the main reason he comes to this conclusion. Switch's power consumption is better than a stock Tegra X1's power consumption. That is exactly what brought me here in the first place.

Could it be a modified Tegra X1 then?

Yeah it is. It's underclocked otherwise a stock X1.



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Lafiel said:
GhaudePhaede010 said:

What does the X2 look like?

there is no X2 in commercial use, so we don't know - it won't look the same as the X1, it uses different CPU cores, a different GPU architecture and has a wider memory bus (all of which should be visibly different in a die shot)

and it's been designed for 16nm process, while the Switch SoC is manufactured in 20nm (like the X1)

Wrong. The X2 is in commercial use. Just not in any direct consumer segments. Volta Tegra which is the successor to the X2 has been demonstrated in the market as far back as January in cars.

You are right that it will look vastly different than the X1.

GhaudePhaede010 said:

While I believe you, I would like to know what he is wrong about. See, my way of thinking is (and call it hopeful thinking) that someone that is smarter than me says something, I say, "that could be logical" and then someone else that is smarter than me tells me why what the other person said is nonsense and I go, "OK, now THAT makes more sense" but instead, I have not gotten that. I prefer to go with clarity. I am not smart enough to just take sides, I need it to be dumbed down for me otherwise, I can be fooled.


We have pictures with an electron microscope which allows us to see The Tegra X1 and Switch SoC in detail. They are pretty much identical.
Ergo. Tegra X1 is 100% confirmed for the switch.

Anyone who claims otherwise literally doesn't know what they are talking about.

GhaudePhaede010 said:

This is the interesting part because his video explains that the power consumption is the main reason he comes to this conclusion. Switch's power consumption is better than a stock Tegra X1's power consumption. That is exactly what brought me here in the first place.

Could it be a modified Tegra X1 then?

Mostly due to the lower clocks, more aggressive binning and lower voltages.

The chip itself isn't modified, not architecturally, but it's clocks and volts do deviate from the typical Tegra X1 standard.

GhaudePhaede010 said:

This guy really seems to know what he is talking about... especially in the comments section. Is it possible that the SOC for Switch is really X2? I found it interesting although it makes little difference to me. Really, this was about the fact that I did not see that anybody else had posted this video or discussed the possibility of the console having the X2

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sTZAQ-E3Yfc

It's not possible. It's wishful thinking that it's anything other than the X1.

I think the reason people desire for it to be the X2 is so that the Switch doesn't seem like it's using old and outdated technology.



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Pemalite said:
Lafiel said:

there is no X2 in commercial use, so we don't know - it won't look the same as the X1, it uses different CPU cores, a different GPU architecture and has a wider memory bus (all of which should be visibly different in a die shot)

and it's been designed for 16nm process, while the Switch SoC is manufactured in 20nm (like the X1)

Wrong. The X2 is in commercial use. Just not in any direct consumer segments. Volta Tegra which is the successor to the X2 has been demonstrated in the market as far back as January in cars.

You are right that it will look vastly different than the X1.

*rolleyes* yea I ment it's not in any consumer products, which should have been obvious from the context

nitpicking



whatever, doesn't make much difference at this point, hopefully we get a new version with better battery 2 years from now

also, reading the comments on youtube, it seems that he missed out some very basic facts on how energy consumption works in batteries



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We already went through this. It's a Tegra X1, not X2.

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=8342077



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