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VGPolyglot said:
John2290 said:

It shouldn't bring you comfort. Don't let yourself forget that more than a hundred million were killed directly by followers of Marx and that continues into the 21st century, albeit less directly. I'm not telling you what you should think here nor what you should read however the real world implications whould scare you and that comfort that you feel should be something that you should try to side step or at least unsettle yourself be reading oppossing philosophy and writings. At the very least looking at other ideologies will help you understand why it is giving you comfort and why that should be not such a good thing.

If we're going that route, 100 million is way less than the hundreds of millions by capitalist countries. Also, Stalinism and Maoism are not Marxism, they are separate ideologies (for example, Stalin's "socialism in one country" is not part of Marxist ideology).

I don't know why you're waiting on the government to do that for you. Why don't you distribute your own wealth to those who are needlessly dying?



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brendude13 said:
VGPolyglot said:

If we're going that route, 100 million is way less than the hundreds of millions by capitalist countries. Also, Stalinism and Maoism are not Marxism, they are separate ideologies (for example, Stalin's "socialism in one country" is not part of Marxist ideology).

I don't know why you're waiting on the government to do that for you. Why don't you distribute your own wealth to those who are needlessly dying?

Because I don't have the money nor the power to do that. Also, giving them money would just be putting a band-aid over the problem, without getting to the root of it, it will only be a very temporary solution. Of course, I'm also not waiting on the government to do that, because I know that they have no interest in doing it.



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VGPolyglot said:
John2290 said:

It shouldn't bring you comfort. Don't let yourself forget that more than a hundred million were killed directly by followers of Marx and that continues into the 21st century, albeit less directly. I'm not telling you what you should think here nor what you should read however the real world implications whould scare you and that comfort that you feel should be something that you should try to side step or at least unsettle yourself be reading oppossing philosophy and writings. At the very least looking at other ideologies will help you understand why it is giving you comfort and why that should be not such a good thing.

If we're going that route, 100 million is way less than the hundreds of millions by capitalist countries. Also, Stalinism and Maoism are not Marxism, they are separate ideologies (for example, Stalin's "socialism in one country" is not part of Marxist ideology).

That's because they don't have enough freedom in the market and capitalism. The whole world has had the blueprint to prosperity given courtesy by the west for at least 50 years now (longer really) and the only countries that have truly grasped this are Japan and South Korea. And just look at what's happened to China, they embrace capitalism just a little bit and all of a sudden millions are lifted out of abject poverty.



specialk said:
o_O.Q said:

are we past the year 2000 now or did we take a time machine back to the 1900s?

well if not why are we going back to the 1900s to justify absurd positions now?

 

" you're arguing against an SJW strawman"

ok.. but talking about the early 1900s to justify racism and sexism perpetuated by people claiming to fight racism and sexism isn't a strawman? ok

I'm going back to the 1900s and even earlier to justify the point that the United States was made in the image of white men. The passage of the 19th ammendment didn't undo the civilization that was built in the 100 preceding years.  

The passage of Voting Rights Act of 1965 didn't give blacks and other minorities the 189 years of agency that they missed out on when it came to the direction of the country. 

The Fair Housing Act of 1968 didn't go back and restore the wealth accumulation missed out on by black families because of fundamentally unfair lending practices.

The Fair Sentencing Act of 2010 didn't go back and restore lost years for people who languished in jail due racial bias in the judiciary. 

Again, good talk, but honestly I'm putting more into this conversation than I'm getting out of it. 

 

"I'm going back to the 1900s and even earlier to justify the point that the United States was made in the image of white men."

 

since white people are the majority in the country and men had more responsiblity before than they do now what else would be expected? 

 

"The passage of Voting Rights Act of 1965 didn't give blacks and other minorities the 189 years of agency that they missed out on when it came to the direction of the country. 

The Fair Housing Act of 1968 didn't go back and restore the wealth accumulation missed out on by black families because of fundamentally unfair lending practices.

The Fair Sentencing Act of 2010 didn't go back and restore lost years for people who languished in jail due racial bias in the judiciary. "

 

sure... and what can be done about these past instances of oppression other than to ensure that everyone has rights which apprently you do acknowledge is the case at this point in time? (and obviously even though everyone has rights there will be cases where oppression slips through the cracks since systems created by men are not perfect)

do you feel strongly enough about this issue to give up a sizeable portion of your wealth to the black community? 

 

and the truly ironic thing about this is that you don't understand that the underlying purpose of the people we've spoken about is to strip away rights and privileges from people and that not only applies to white men but everyone

as i've mentioned before the underlying ideal is that everyone must be as equal as possible... and how would that be achieved if you don't take away freedom? its very, very simple to understand which is why i don't see how people don't get it



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VGPolyglot said:
John2290 said:

I just feel really bad for some of the kids who are going to come out of these places in the next few years andhave to live in the real world.

Yeah, the liberals who think that capitalism can be reformed in a way that helps everyone are going to have to face the harsh truth.

anyone who thinks a perfect world can ever be created is going to have to face a harsh truth (especially if they don't understand that safety and security are only obtained by stripping away freedom)

 

also anyone who thinks a world without hierarchies is ever going to exist is also going to have to face a harsh truth

 

even in the communist system there are two classes:

-the average people that are supposedly equal who follow the rules of the system put in place

-the people above them who are there to put the rules in place and maintain the system

 

how anyone could think that a communist system could be entirely equal for everyone is nonsensical... who then determines what the rules are to keep everyone is a state of equality?



This info-graphic is strange. How are these topics related to capitalism, when most capitalistic countries solved these problems long ago while socialist countries like North Korea, Zimbabwe and now Venezuela regress in human development?

 

World Hunger is in decline with the exceptions being war, socialist dictatorships, and ethnic cleansing like Zimbabwe

We have more food and need less land than ever before despite growing populations thanks to technology, free markets and CO2 fertilization.

 

http://blog.nature.org/science/2014/06/18/global-agriculture-land-sustainability-deforestation-foodsecurity/

 

Caused by new technologies and CO2-fertilization of the atmosphere?

https://www.nasa.gov/feature/goddard/2016/carbon-dioxide-fertilization-greening-earth/



Groundking said:
VGPolyglot said:

If we're going that route, 100 million is way less than the hundreds of millions by capitalist countries. Also, Stalinism and Maoism are not Marxism, they are separate ideologies (for example, Stalin's "socialism in one country" is not part of Marxist ideology).

That's because they don't have enough freedom in the market and capitalism. The whole world has had the blueprint to prosperity given courtesy by the west for at least 50 years now (longer really) and the only countries that have truly grasped this are Japan and South Korea. And just look at what's happened to China, they embrace capitalism just a little bit and all of a sudden millions are lifted out of abject poverty.

The reason why Japan and South Korea are better off is because it served the US's interests better to have two strong economies in Asia to combat the PRC, the USSR and the DPRK.



o_O.Q said:
VGPolyglot said:

Yeah, the liberals who think that capitalism can be reformed in a way that helps everyone are going to have to face the harsh truth.

anyone who thinks a perfect world can ever be created is going to have to face a harsh truth (especially if they don't understand that safety and security are only obtained by stripping away freedom)

 

also anyone who thinks a world without hierarchies is ever going to exist is also going to have to face a harsh truth

 

even in the communist system there are two classes:

-the average people that are supposedly equal who follow the rules of the system put in place

-the people above them who are there to put the rules in place and maintain the system

 

how anyone could think that a communist system could be entirely equal for everyone is nonsensical... who then determines what the rules are to keep everyone is a state of equality?

You're asking two separate questions here:

1. Can communism happen - yes it can

2. Will it happen - probably not, but that doesn't mean that I'm not going to try



numberwang said:

This info-graphic is strange. How are these topics related to capitalism, when most capitalistic countries solved these problems long ago while socialist countries like North Korea, Zimbabwe and now Venezuela regress in human development?

 

World Hunger is in decline with the exceptions being war, socialist dictatorships, and ethnic cleansing like Zimbabwe

We have more food and need less land than ever before despite growing populations thanks to technology, free markets and CO2 fertilization.

 

http://blog.nature.org/science/2014/06/18/global-agriculture-land-sustainability-deforestation-foodsecurity/

 

Caused by new technologies and CO2-fertilization of the atmosphere?

https://www.nasa.gov/feature/goddard/2016/carbon-dioxide-fertilization-greening-earth/

And there's your problem right there...Those countries aren't socialist.