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monocle_layton said:

If that is the case, then why do we constantly hear about Europe supposedly declining and suffering from immigrants?

The same reason the media have been manipulating what people see for decades they need headlines for business regardless of how factual they are or not.



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Wyrdness said:
monocle_layton said:

If that is the case, then why do we constantly hear about Europe supposedly declining and suffering from immigrants?

The same reason the media have been manipulating what people see for decades they need headlines for business regardless of how factual they are or not.

To be fair, it's only certain niche media that spreads right wing FUD. The mainstream media in Germany is more on the immigrant loving side.

So it's not really "the media" that is spreading misinformation but just a handful of right wing nuts talking to their echo chambers.



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I agree with OP. COntrolled inmigration is the key to succes. Open borders will destroy a nation like its doing iin europe.



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vivster said:
Wyrdness said:

The same reason the media have been manipulating what people see for decades they need headlines for business regardless of how factual they are or not.

To be fair, it's only certain niche media that spreads right wing FUD. The mainstream media in Germany is more on the immigrant loving side.

So it's not really "the media" that is spreading misinformation but just a handful of right wing nuts talking to their echo chambers.

You need to explain what you mean by right wing fud. Cuz I have seen videos of crimes being comited and the response of the media is sweep it under the rug. Even cops saying they dont act because they are afraid of being laveled a racist.  I really belive tthe fud is coming from the lef.



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eva01beserk said:
vivster said:

To be fair, it's only certain niche media that spreads right wing FUD. The mainstream media in Germany is more on the immigrant loving side.

So it's not really "the media" that is spreading misinformation but just a handful of right wing nuts talking to their echo chambers.

You need to explain what you mean by right wing fud. Cuz I have seen videos of crimes being comited and the response of the media is sweep it under the rug. Even cops saying they dont act because they are afraid of being laveled a racist.  I really belive tthe fud is coming from the lef.

News flash, the vast majority of all crimes do not get reported in the media.

Reporting about single instances is not the problem, basing on those few instances theories about how immigrants are inherently evil is the issue. I have yet to see mainstream media spreading false information.



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The german situation doesn't seem much different to a lot of Europe.

http://www.nationaldebtclocks.org/debtclock/germany

A large amount of debt per head, also pension debt not listed for public sector worker pensions and they are tied to a currency where many countries have crippling debt like Italy at 140% gdp. At the moment Germany has a feel good factor as being linked to such economies makes German exports more competitive because those countries devalue the currency but the Euro is also a huge liability.

It's all getting really messy in Europe with huge problems pushed into the future rather than faced by more borrowing, same in the USA. It's like the future is a place where we think we will be rich again and these debts can be easily paid and so we can borrow massively today.

I don't think I've got anything in my house that is German made or French. My tumble dryer is Italian I think. My car is korean. Much of my white goods are Turkish as is my TV. All my PCs and consoles are Chinese and what stuff I have that has European brands is often made elsewhere if not Chinese possibly eastern european countries. I have a range of bikes and most are taiwanese or chinese or a mixture of both. I'm sure I probably do have something German or French made just nothing major springs to mind.

I mean you look at this;

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Yn5kIpIrv0&t

The factory looks amazing, they mention only a few of the brands they manufacture for, brands from across Europe and the US. Quality looks brilliant too. The economies of scale are incredible. How can Europe or the US compete with that especially with the chinese currency kept artificially low in value to aid exports.



vivster said:
eva01beserk said:

You need to explain what you mean by right wing fud. Cuz I have seen videos of crimes being comited and the response of the media is sweep it under the rug. Even cops saying they dont act because they are afraid of being laveled a racist.  I really belive tthe fud is coming from the lef.

News flash, the vast majority of all crimes do not get reported in the media.

Reporting about single instances is not the problem, basing on those few instances theories about how immigrants are inherently evil is the issue. I have yet to see mainstream media spreading false information.

There is no doubt that most crimes go unreported. But thats not the problem. Its not even that inmigrant comited crimes go unreported. The problem is when such crime ocours, they tend to leave out certain informatio, like nationality and the sort or disasosiating the fact that a muslim was involved or it was religiously motivated. Is not lying, i get that, but it does paint a picture.

While I do get their point off view, that they dont want people to start discriminating and make a panic and all that, if they keep going to such etends is the reason why we see thouse leaked vids that do paint inmigrants in a worse light, the the actual number of instanses gets exagerted cus the the media hides the real numbers to show no issues at all.

This is a case of people making things worse even though they are doing things with the best intentions. could have been avoided by just being honest from the start and true, not all inmigrants are good.



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eva01beserk said:
vivster said:

To be fair, it's only certain niche media that spreads right wing FUD. The mainstream media in Germany is more on the immigrant loving side.

So it's not really "the media" that is spreading misinformation but just a handful of right wing nuts talking to their echo chambers.

You need to explain what you mean by right wing fud. Cuz I have seen videos of crimes being comited and the response of the media is sweep it under the rug. Even cops saying they dont act because they are afraid of being laveled a racist.  I really belive tthe fud is coming from the lef.

The thing is, crime happens all the time. It is exceptional when the media DOES report it. There are, in the United States, each year, 15 000 homicides (murders),115 000 forced rape cases (like, actual rape, not sexual harassement), 700 000 cases of aggravated assault (sending someone to the hospital), 7 000 000 cases of theft. 

 

Media can't cover all of that, as the time in a day is limited. So they pick and choose.

 

Statistically, they will pick and choose cases involving immigrants much more often than those that don't involve an immigrant. This makes sense, from a buisness perspective; add another issue or contreversy, whch increases interest.

 

 

The problem, in the modern day, is that the media can give a strongly falsified image of the world while presenting nothing but true stories. In the numbers that we live in nowadays, you can find individual examples that support absolutely ANY statement you're trying to make, right or wrong. And that's why any individual examples, if a  dozen, or a hundred of them, are completely worthless as an argument.

 

Statistics do show that refugees commit crime more than the average citizen (as is the case for any poorer demographic you can find, in Germany or elsewhere.) However, as they do not represent more than 1-1.5% of the population, this has no significant on the security of the country as a whole. Crime rates are still going down. Germany now is safer than Germany 10 years ago, and much safer than the US right now.



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I win if Arms sells over 700 000 units worldwide by the end of 2017.

Bet with WagnerPaiva:

 

I win if Emmanuel Macron wins the french presidential election May 7th 2017.

US you have to have some street smarts in some of the big cities and gotta know where you're going. 

Europe is a joke, lol, I've walked around streets alone even in "tougher" areas at like 2-3 AM and never felt really threatened. It's not as "safe" feeling as say Canada, but compared to the US, it's a Disney movie.



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It almost voted for Trump where he lost by 1.5%