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FloatingWaffles said:
Wyrdness said:

What are you on about? People aren't calling him racist because he has a different view people are calling him racist because what he said was objectively racist this isn't even anything to do with SJW the video is available online and the are quotes that have been linked.

What do you mean what am I on about? Read my comment. It's the same people like SJW's that are always trying to do shit like this.

Just like with the Overwatch butt "controversial" (not controversial at all, just a fucking silly all class pose) pose that these people wanted to get removed from Overwatch, people will try to find anything to get angry about. And now it's that Jontron wanted to have a different view on something, even if that view was controversial perhaps. So they flocked to Playtonic to have him removed from the game.

And what was Playtonic's response? At the first sign of any sort of potential "backlash", (and I say backlash in quotes since the amount of people that wouldn't have bought the game just because he was in it probably isn't very high, just like the people saying they won't buy the game because he was removed probably isn't very high. The game will probably still sell well I imagine), they immediately cowarded out and gave into those requests. 

And sure, Playtonic has every right to do that, it's their game and if they don't like something Jontron said they have every right to remove him. But this isn't what seems like happened, it gives off the look that they gave into SJW requests at the first sign of any backlash rather than think for themselves about it. 

You're massively understating what his different view was. It's not like he said that he likes eating his hamburges with ranch dressing, he made statements on different races. And it's funny that you just went on about everyone dismissing their opponents as racists, yet you resort to calling everyone you don't like a "SJW".



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VGPolyglot said:
FloatingWaffles said:

Blame those people that overuse the word racist in every single thing where it's not needed nor does it make any sense. Nowadays if you even disagree with someone on something they'll call you a racist or nazi or anything like that.

It doesn't have the same kind of meaning anymore when someone will call someone else racist for any little thing even when it has nothing to do with racism. Which is why when I see a headline of something like "Jontron is racist", i'm more inclined to believe it's just people throwing the word around when it has nothing to do with racism as always to try and make that person look bad, which I don't see how you can deny, just look at anything in today's world and you'll find someone calling someone else racist,sexist,mysoginist, nazi, etc for any reason. People have an agenda, so when they see someone that either says or thinks something they don't like their agenda is to make that person look as horrible as possible and to try and spread that around. Which is why even if they know someone isn't a racist or a nazi or anything they'll still try to say it anyway, either because they are ignorant enough to actualy believe those things or just don't care and will try to paint that false picture to support their narrative anyway. 

It's been happening a shit ton on Youtube lately too, just look at the shit that happened to PewDiePie like a month ago. Those people that made the articles knew that he wasn't actually a fucking nazi or anti-semite, but they still proceeded to try to slander him anyway with that shit because that was their agenda.

Even if JonTron might have said some controversial statements, the amount of people trying to call him racist I would assume are the same people that would have tried to call him that no matter what he said. The mentality of these people that do these things has resorted to "He's either 100% in agreement with us and what we think, if not we paint him as a fucking nazi or racist or something bad like that".

So, your argument is that the word racist is used a lot, so if someone's called a racist that must mean they're not a racist?

No. The word racist is overused a lot in scenarios where racism has nothing to do with it (just like other words like nazi, sexist, etc) to the point where it's less believable for someone to actually be racist nowadays in a situation where there actually might be racism.

The word doesn't have the same meaning as it used to. 

Ever head the story of The Boy Who cried Wolf?

It's like that. These people are labelling anyone racist or sexist and such like that due to anything, whether it be from differences of opinion (Which is dumb as fuck) to anything, so when a sitaution arrives where there actually might finally BE something like that, it's more believeable that it's just them trying to make the other person look bad as usual more than anything else. 



FloatingWaffles said:
VGPolyglot said:

So, your argument is that the word racist is used a lot, so if someone's called a racist that must mean they're not a racist?

No. The word racist is overused a lot in scenarios where racism has nothing to do with it (just like other words like nazi, sexist, etc) to the point where it's less believable for someone to actually be racist nowadays in a situation where there actually might be racism.

The word doesn't have the same meaning as it used to. 

Ever head the story of The Boy Who cried Wolf?

It's like that. These people are labelling anyone racist or sexist and such like that due to anything, whether it be from differences of opinion (Which is dumb as fuck) to anything, so when a sitaution arrives where there actually might finally BE something like that, it's more believeable that it's just them trying to make the other person look bad as usual more than anything else. 

People are calling Jon Jafari racist because he's racist. Is Jon did not want to be labelled as a racist, he shouldn't have said racist things. Nobody would had known that he was a racist if he never told anyone. But he decided to not keep it to himself.



VGPolyglot said:
FloatingWaffles said:

What do you mean what am I on about? Read my comment. It's the same people like SJW's that are always trying to do shit like this.

Just like with the Overwatch butt "controversial" (not controversial at all, just a fucking silly all class pose) pose that these people wanted to get removed from Overwatch, people will try to find anything to get angry about. And now it's that Jontron wanted to have a different view on something, even if that view was controversial perhaps. So they flocked to Playtonic to have him removed from the game.

And what was Playtonic's response? At the first sign of any sort of potential "backlash", (and I say backlash in quotes since the amount of people that wouldn't have bought the game just because he was in it probably isn't very high, just like the people saying they won't buy the game because he was removed probably isn't very high. The game will probably still sell well I imagine), they immediately cowarded out and gave into those requests. 

And sure, Playtonic has every right to do that, it's their game and if they don't like something Jontron said they have every right to remove him. But this isn't what seems like happened, it gives off the look that they gave into SJW requests at the first sign of any backlash rather than think for themselves about it. 

You're massively understating what his different view was. It's not like he said that he likes eating his hamburges with ranch dressing, he made statements on different races. And it's funny that you just went on about everyone dismissing their opponents as racists, yet you resort to calling everyone you don't like a "SJW".

Where did I once say that anyone I don't like is a "SJW"? Point it out to me.

In the first sentence I even wrote "It's people like SJW's that are always trying to do this shit", so I didn't even say all of them are SJW's. 



FloatingWaffles said:
VGPolyglot said:

You're massively understating what his different view was. It's not like he said that he likes eating his hamburges with ranch dressing, he made statements on different races. And it's funny that you just went on about everyone dismissing their opponents as racists, yet you resort to calling everyone you don't like a "SJW".

Where did I once say that anyone I don't like is a "SJW"? Point it out to me.

In the first sentence I even wrote "It's people like SJW's that are always trying to do this shit", so I didn't even say all of them are SJW's. 

So, what in your view is the difference between a SJW and a like-a-SJW?



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VGPolyglot said:
Azuren said:

Okay, so first of all, you're making a pretty strong assumption about the British and French thing. Congratulations on being nonfactual out of the gate.

 

Second, you don't know what I read, and there may well be something racist that happened that wasn't in the cliff notes that I found. That's why I'm asking for clarification and for someone to point out the outright racist stuff. 

 

Third, xenophobia is not racism. It's like I'm talking to children. Just because you don't agree with it and it targets a group of people that are not white in majority doesn't mean it's racist. It would be racist of he said middle easterners, or blacks, or Indians; but as far as I can tell, he didn't.

 

Now, again, if I missed something that actually IS racist, please; point it out to me. 

So, trying to insinuate that even the best-off of blacks are more likely to commit crimes than the worst-off of whites is not racist? And let's say that it was xenophobia instead of racism: how is that any moer acceptable? Hating people because of where they were born (which they have no control over) is just as bad as hating people because of the colour of their skin (which they also have no control over).

Can you read, or do you just not understand the whole "point me to it" concept? For the love of Bob, stop giving me your account on it and tell me at what time in the video he says these awful, fucked up things so I can formulate my own opinion rather than regurgitate the thrice regurgitated opinion you're now heaving on me.



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Azuren said:
VGPolyglot said:

So, trying to insinuate that even the best-off of blacks are more likely to commit crimes than the worst-off of whites is not racist? And let's say that it was xenophobia instead of racism: how is that any moer acceptable? Hating people because of where they were born (which they have no control over) is just as bad as hating people because of the colour of their skin (which they also have no control over).

Can you read, or do you just not understand the whole "point me to it" concept? For the love of Bob, stop giving me your account on it and tell me at what time in the video he says these awful, fucked up things so I can formulate my own opinion rather than regurgitate the thrice regurgitated opinion you're now heaving on me.

Here's the video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6RQA9GZprqM

Go to about 13:30 where he's praising Japan for being homogenous and wondering why it's wrong for people to want to have a white majority country.



VGPolyglot said:
FloatingWaffles said:

Where did I once say that anyone I don't like is a "SJW"? Point it out to me.

In the first sentence I even wrote "It's people like SJW's that are always trying to do this shit", so I didn't even say all of them are SJW's. 

So, what in your view is the difference between a SJW and a like-a-SJW?

I'm gonna clarify right now. 

When I said SJW's, I meant the same people that time and time again find something to try and be angry about and try to 'fix' ,as they think they are correct in that whatever they think is 'offensive' or 'controversial' must be the same thing to everyone else. Just like with the Overwatch butt pose thing a while back which they begged for the pose to be removed when it harmed nobody, and then Blizzard gave in. There are a few more examples out there that I remember, I can't think of them off the top of my head, but I can google them and try to find them.

edit: I just remembed the Colin Moriarty joke tweet from like a week ago. That was really recent and another example of what i'm talking about of people trying to find something to be angry about. 

When I said people like SJW's, I meant people just acting in similar fashion though not in the same way as trying to find anything to get outraged about and remove it. Some people genuinely might just find something offensive or don't like a specific thing, that doesn't mean they're immediately an SJW. I'm talking about people that purposely try to look for stuff to be 'outraged about' to push their agendas when I say SJW.  If I had to try to put it in an analogy, if you went fishing only one time and caught one fish, you wouldn't immediately call yourself a fisherman. You would have to keep going fishing continuously. 



VGPolyglot said:
Azuren said:

Can you read, or do you just not understand the whole "point me to it" concept? For the love of Bob, stop giving me your account on it and tell me at what time in the video he says these awful, fucked up things so I can formulate my own opinion rather than regurgitate the thrice regurgitated opinion you're now heaving on me.

Here's the video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6RQA9GZprqM

Go to about 13:30 where he's praising Japan for being homogenous and wondering why it's wrong for people to want to have a white majority country.

Well, he didn't say "Fuck minorities" or anything along those lines, he praised a non-white country for being primarily homogenous and then followed up by asking why white people can't do the same (spoiler: northern Europe). And Destiny countered by stating Japan is  train wreck with an absurd suicide rate and is riddled with issues because of their race (hardy har, which is actually a much more racist statement than JonTron's; "Japanese people kill themselves and ruined their own country") before following up with a statement claiming that JonTron isn't even white (which doesn't actually change anything, but drives in what should be an objective outside point of view on why white people can't have a country where they are heavy majority).

 

That statement is blunt at worst and inquisitive at best. I'm actually surprised people aren't attacking Destiny for implying Japan's primarily Japanese population's responsible for the high suicide rate and vague "bad stuff".

 

 

Now, if you would please, point me to the stuff you were talking about earlier where JonTron was making extrapolations based on race and not facts or statistics? Because that would indeed be racist and not gray area.



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Aura7541 said:

Oh wow, even Destiny is opposed to Playtonic Game's decision and he's the one who debated JonTron.

Isn't he right, though?

They hired him (or used some voice clips) a very long time before this whole mess started. It's not like he's screaming racist things in the game! I'll get the game either way. His voice doesn't make it better or worse... 

Also, if you guys want a game with his voice, A Hat in Time hasn't cut ties with him (yet)

Going a little more off topic, these first world problems always shock me. Somehow, it all becomes SJW/PC crowd VS Racists/anti-PC. 



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