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HollyGamer said:

 Many  smart people around  the world  convert to Islam because they found truth in Islam through Science and understanding how the worlds the societies works in the world.  There are people like u in my country because they dont learn islam in the right way. 

You cannot lump science in with any religion.

Islam, like Christianity and Judaism are entirely built upon the concept of faith, aka. Belief without evidence, which is something that goes against the very foundations of scientific principle.

Most theistic religions use their faith to justify their own personal truth rather than use any evidence-based approach.
Then they use that personal truth to justify their faith, it's a vicious circle... And science isn't included within that framework.

HollyGamer said:

LOL, are u disscussing this with just your assumption , the Quran is not contradict unlike The bible that even their grand pope admite that the bible has been change many times. LMAO 

Not wise to attack the Bible. The Quran is built from the exact same religious context that the Bibles Old Testament is built from... Which in turn are both derived from the Torah, the Jewish Bible.
Of course they all have their on twists and turns to differentiate. Hell even "Allah" translated from Arabic to English means "God".

You can bet your ass the Quran is full of contradictions.



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HollyGamer said:
LadyJasmine said:
Islam at it roots has some good values for women but of course some think the Angel Gabriel told the Prophet Mohammed that women should not be able to drive a car lol

Yet my mother can drive a car in Indonesia, Dubai, Malaysia , brunei, pakistan , etc, Hell even in Saudy is not tha strict anymore. I bet you became atheist is not because how Islam works but for other reason , one of it is you lack of Islamic knowledge , i can see from your comment. Many  smart people around  the world  convert to Islam because they found truth in Islam through Science and understanding how the worlds the societies works in the world.  There are people like u in my country because they dont learn islam in the right way. 

 

Spare me your garbage....Islam in the past took the learnings of the ancients and built upon in the Islamic Golden Age.

What learnings and teachings does it offer in 2017? to the world now? 



Pemalite said:
HollyGamer said:

 Many  smart people around  the world  convert to Islam because they found truth in Islam through Science and understanding how the worlds the societies works in the world.  There are people like u in my country because they dont learn islam in the right way. 

You cannot lump science in with any religion.

Islam, like Christianity and Judaism are entirely built upon the concept of faith, aka. Belief without evidence, which is something that goes against the very foundations of scientific principle.

Most theistic religions use their faith to justify their own personal truth rather than use any evidence-based approach.
Then they use that personal truth to justify their faith, it's a vicious circle... And science isn't included within that framework.

HollyGamer said:

LOL, are u disscussing this with just your assumption , the Quran is not contradict unlike The bible that even their grand pope admite that the bible has been change many times. LMAO 

Not wise to attack the Bible. The Quran is built from the exact same religious context that the Bibles Old Testament is built from... Which in turn are both derived from the Torah, the Jewish Bible.
Of course they all have their on twists and turns to differentiate. Hell even "Allah" translated from Arabic to English means "God".

You can bet your ass the Quran is full of contradictions.

I need to fix your statement the Qur'an is indeed came from the same God and brought the same message to fix the old messages from Jesus , Moses and Abraham that already twisted by their people after their long gone. The old testament , the new tastament , the torrah the zabur , are all already been twisted for so long by the Jews and the Jesus Follower . That's why it has many simmilarities yet so different.  The Quran is the last God holybook to bring back all the Christian and Jew to worshiped back the Onnones God without associating Him with his creature 

The difference is many of Christian belive that the Bible is not original anymore,  the prove is there will always be a new  " revision " a  " new version ", a " new edition " .  Even their popes and grand popes are seeing that because they tried to fix the content of the bible but it lead to nothing. There are no more original bible exist from this world , not anymore.

U need to learn Hystory , so many pagan worshiping mix with the Bible and Christian from Christmast, Birthday etc etc. It all started in Nicea grat Councils gathering to makes some  change to God Words with their own version for their own gains. 



LadyJasmine said:
HollyGamer said:

Yet my mother can drive a car in Indonesia, Dubai, Malaysia , brunei, pakistan , etc, Hell even in Saudy is not tha strict anymore. I bet you became atheist is not because how Islam works but for other reason , one of it is you lack of Islamic knowledge , i can see from your comment. Many  smart people around  the world  convert to Islam because they found truth in Islam through Science and understanding how the worlds the societies works in the world.  There are people like u in my country because they dont learn islam in the right way. 

 

Spare me your garbage....Islam in the past took the learnings of the ancients and built upon in the Islamic Golden Age.

What learnings and teachings does it offer in 2017? to the world now? 

LOL, Islam is not ancient i can do my religion activity while studying , working and have some friend with many peoples  it does not contradicted with my modren live. 

So tell me the reason you leave Islam, maybe i can help you fix your thought. 



HollyGamer said:
LadyJasmine said:

 

Spare me your garbage....Islam in the past took the learnings of the ancients and built upon in the Islamic Golden Age.

What learnings and teachings does it offer in 2017? to the world now? 

LOL, Islam is not ancient i can do my religion activity while studying , working and have some friend with many peoples  it does not contradicted with my modren live. 

So tell me the reason you leave Islam, maybe i can help you fix your thought. 

Its simple I want to be with a guy and its haram...

 

Yet my male relatives b with girls  and its 'boys will be boys'



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HollyGamer said:

I need to fix your statement the Qur'an is indeed came from the same God and brought the same message to fix the old messages from Jesus , Moses and Abraham that already twisted by their people after their long gone. The old testament , the new tastament , the torrah the zabur , are all already been twisted for so long by the Jews and the Jesus Follower . That's why it has many simmilarities yet so different.  The Quran is the last God holybook to bring back all the Christian and Jew to worshiped back the Onnones God without associating Him with his creature 


That's a theological argument, that I cannot adhere to.

HollyGamer said:

The difference is many of Christian belive that the Bible is not original anymore,  the prove is there will always be a new  " revision " a  " new version ", a " new edition " .  Even their popes and grand popes are seeing that because they tried to fix the content of the bible but it lead to nothing. There are no more original bible exist from this world , not anymore.


That's because the Bible's that circulate today is certainly not original.
Take the word "Homosexuality" it's only existed as a word for roughly 100~ years, yet ended up in the Bible and is parroted by the various Church denominations.

The original Bible is actually written in Hebrew, so by it's very nature there needs to be translation and interpretation to make the text translate properly into English.

Thus there most certainly is an "Original Bible".


HollyGamer said:

U need to learn Hystory , so many pagan worshiping mix with the Bible and Christian from Christmast, Birthday etc etc. It all started in Nicea grat Councils gathering to makes some  change to God Words with their own version for their own gains.

That's correct. Christmas and the Christmas tree has Pagan Roots.
The Easter Bunny and the laying of the eggs is also rooted in pagan history.

And that was by design, so that the Christian Religion would appeal to a wider audience, but it's also not a bad thing, It's certainly defined the western world.

But that doesn't mean that Christianity has been tarnished by Paganism either.


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The sad part about it is that all three of the middle-eastern, Abrahamic religions support slavery, actively attack homosexuality, against divorce, prefer women to serve man... And the list goes on. I don't know how any logical thinking person can morally follow that tripe to be honest.

With that, I won't deny someone's right to Freedom of Religion... As long as they respect my right to Freedom from Religion.



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Pemalite said:
HollyGamer said:

I need to fix your statement the Qur'an is indeed came from the same God and brought the same message to fix the old messages from Jesus , Moses and Abraham that already twisted by their people after their long gone. The old testament , the new tastament , the torrah the zabur , are all already been twisted for so long by the Jews and the Jesus Follower . That's why it has many simmilarities yet so different.  The Quran is the last God holybook to bring back all the Christian and Jew to worshiped back the Onnones God without associating Him with his creature 


That's a theological argument, that I cannot adhere to.

HollyGamer said:

The difference is many of Christian belive that the Bible is not original anymore,  the prove is there will always be a new  " revision " a  " new version ", a " new edition " .  Even their popes and grand popes are seeing that because they tried to fix the content of the bible but it lead to nothing. There are no more original bible exist from this world , not anymore.


That's because the Bible's that circulate today is certainly not original.
Take the word "Homosexuality" it's only existed as a word for roughly 100~ years, yet ended up in the Bible and is parroted by the various Church denominations.

The original Bible is actually written in Hebrew, so by it's very nature there needs to be translation and interpretation to make the text translate properly into English.

Thus there most certainly is an "Original Bible".


HollyGamer said:

U need to learn Hystory , so many pagan worshiping mix with the Bible and Christian from Christmast, Birthday etc etc. It all started in Nicea grat Councils gathering to makes some  change to God Words with their own version for their own gains.

That's correct. Christmas and the Christmas tree has Pagan Roots.
The Easter Bunny and the laying of the eggs is also rooted in pagan history.

And that was by design, so that the Christian Religion would appeal to a wider audience, but it's also not a bad thing, It's certainly defined the western world.

But that doesn't mean that Christianity has been tarnished by Paganism either.


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The sad part about it is that all three of the middle-eastern, Abrahamic religions support slavery, actively attack homosexuality, against divorce, prefer women to serve man... And the list goes on. I don't know how any logical thinking person can morally follow that tripe to be honest.

With that, I won't deny someone's right to Freedom of Religion... As long as they respect my right to Freedom from Religion.

Well No , original means the content is still not tarnished by human hands, it means it still the same,  you can translate to different language without change the content or the meaning form the original.   The Qur'an has many different lenguage and eventhought it has many translation it still the same meaning.

 

If you admitted that the Chirstian had been Mixed with pagan , that's just prove that the religion it self is not a true Christian that brought by Jesus , how can a religion can be trusted if the bible it self already been inserted with many interest and lies by this self proclaimed saint ?

 

Tha's not the point here, we are not talking about the abrahamic religion you just simply following my replied to poligot abot the contardiction, yet to prove the contradiction all of you need to point which verse and chapter that contardict, trust me i have deal with people likes you who knows nothing, and they just simply run 



Sory for double post



LadyJasmine said:
HollyGamer said:

LOL, Islam is not ancient i can do my religion activity while studying , working and have some friend with many peoples  it does not contradicted with my modren live. 

So tell me the reason you leave Islam, maybe i can help you fix your thought. 

Its simple I want to be with a guy and its haram...

 

Yet my male relatives b with girls  and its 'boys will be boys'

i dont get it , what you mean 

if your reason is only because of guy's then is not because of Islam is an ancient or Islam fault, that's because you choosing a guy over  a religion. 



HollyGamer said:

Well No , original means the content is still not tarnished by human hands, it means it still the same,  you can translate to different language without change the content or the meaning form the original.   The Qur'an has many different lenguage and eventhought it has many translation it still the same meaning.

 

If you admitted that the Chirstian had been Mixed with pagan , that's just prove that the religion it self is not a true Christian that brought by Jesus , how can a religion can be trusted if the bible it self already been inserted with many interest and lies by this self proclaimed saint ?

 

Tha's not the point here, we are not talking about the abrahamic religion you just simply following my replied to poligot abot the contardiction, yet to prove the contradiction all of you need to point which verse and chapter that contardict, trust me i have deal with people likes you who knows nothing, and they just simply run 

I think the point you aren't getting is that... Christianity, Judaism and Islam have zero evidence to support their claims.
There is no evidence of a God. There is no evidence that Jesus or Mohammad performed such miracles claimed by the Bible or Quran.

So arguing which Theistic religion is true and which one isn't is entirely moot and I won't bother getting into such a pissing match... As NONE have managed to provide any evidence for their claims.

Also... You probably should make the distinction that something like Christmas and Easter isn't actually outlined in the Bible anyway, ergo it isn't part of normal teachings per-say, it was always more of a cultural thing.



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