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barneystinson69 on 23 March 2017
VGPolyglot said:
barneystinson69 said:

As I said, the term is very vague, which is very worrying. Critism can fall under that category. Look at the objectives. Stop all forms of racism and islamaphobia? Quell public hate and fear? Some very scary terms, and some very vague terms. There shouldn't be any ban on critism on a religion, and this bill is going a long way in doing that.

Edit: Well, I guess it did pass today. Guess the conservatives had a backbone for once. Let it begin ;): http://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/m-103-islamophobia-motion-vote-1.4038016

And if you read the top, it says right there that it's a non-binding motion. So it means nothing.

Still very worrying that the HOS voted with a large majority for the bill. I sincerely hope that it doesn't become law, but we'll see.



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Dark_Lord_2008 on 24 March 2017

The Global Muslim versus Christian war has been going on since the 9/11 terrorist attack. Governments and media deny it is a global Muslim versus Christian war. There has been an ongoing Global Muslim versus Christian war for 15 years with no end in sight.

The British born Muslim terrorist did not act alone he was just a pawn on a chess board. The real leaders and masterminds behind this and every terrorist attack are still at large.



VGPolyglot on 24 March 2017
Dark_Lord_2008 said:
The Global Muslim versus Christian war has been going on since the 9/11 terrorist attack. Governments and media deny it is a global Muslim versus Christian war. There has been an ongoing Global Muslim versus Christian war for 15 years with no end in sight.

The British born Muslim terrorist did not act, alone he is just a pawn on a chess board. The real leaders and masterminds behind this and every terrorist attack are still at large.

No, there's no "Muslim vs Christian" war. If that were the case, why would ISIS's biggest foes be Muslims? Why would Saudi Arabia be fighting in Yemen? Why would Iran and Syria be hostile towards the other Muslim countries?



tokilamockingbrd on 24 March 2017
Flilix said:
Normchacho said:
It's really sad to hear news like this. But, as an American, it's also almost odd to think that the violence here is way worse on a daily basis than it is in a lot of other places on a day like today. I mean...if the attackers weren't Muslims, this would barely be news in the US.

This, we only seem to care about these things if it's a terrorist attack. If there are links with terrorism, it suddenly becomes big news, because we're so scared. That's pretty much what terrorists want, they want us to be scared.

We care about mass killings unless it is minorities killing each other in the inner cities.



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tokilamockingbrd on 24 March 2017
Pemalite said:
Lawlight said:

You can attack the source but surely you're not denying that a Muslim kid was holding that sign, right?

The difference between the Islamists and the far right groups is that the latter are drowned out by the pro-Islamist media. So much so that they are irrelevant. Plus, I never heard of the UPF until now - I had to google it. I only heard of Reclaim Australia. So I don't think both sides are equally guilty as one side is way more powerful and actually killed Australians.

United Patriots Front have a massive amount of support. It's Facebook page has more likes than Reclaim Australia. (116k vs 71k)

The media tends to "hush" about United Patriots Front because of it's extremist views. Yes. They are an extremist group.
Reclaim Australia is a little less extreme... They are buoyed by One Nation and the Australian Tea Party.

It's unacceptable for both sides to be acting as they are. Even the far left groups who counter-protest United Patriots Front and Reclaim Australia are taking things way to far.

The fact that you are willing to be apologetic towards the far-right groups under the belief that they aren't as "guilty" as their opposition is laughable. A kid holding a sign up is in contrast to United Patriots Front and Reclaim Australia Members planning the construction of bombs and carrying guns. - But the kid is more guilty? Puh-lease.

My point is, all the groups need to calm their tits and move on with life. I'm honestly sick of it all.

exactly what are these far right groups "guilty" of besides not alighing with your view of the world?

Have you ever wondered why Muslims seem to "radicalize" so easily? It is because they are not radicalizing in the true sense. They just begin to take their holy teachings literally instead of in metaphor.



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VGPolyglot on 24 March 2017
tokilamockingbrd said:
Pemalite said:

United Patriots Front have a massive amount of support. It's Facebook page has more likes than Reclaim Australia. (116k vs 71k)

The media tends to "hush" about United Patriots Front because of it's extremist views. Yes. They are an extremist group.
Reclaim Australia is a little less extreme... They are buoyed by One Nation and the Australian Tea Party.

It's unacceptable for both sides to be acting as they are. Even the far left groups who counter-protest United Patriots Front and Reclaim Australia are taking things way to far.

The fact that you are willing to be apologetic towards the far-right groups under the belief that they aren't as "guilty" as their opposition is laughable. A kid holding a sign up is in contrast to United Patriots Front and Reclaim Australia Members planning the construction of bombs and carrying guns. - But the kid is more guilty? Puh-lease.

My point is, all the groups need to calm their tits and move on with life. I'm honestly sick of it all.

exactly what are these far right groups "guilty" of besides not alighing with your view of the world?

Have you ever wondered why Muslims seem to "radicalize" so easily? It is because they are not radicalizing in the true sense. They just begin to take their holy teachings literally instead of in metaphor.

And it's impossible to take the entire Quran literally because it has so many contradictions. Therefore, they have to choose which parts to believe and which parts to ignore. And societal factors are what helps them choose which parts to follow.



UnderstatedCornHole on 24 March 2017
Fei-Hung said:
Lawlight said:

But they are Muslims.

No. The only people who agree to this are the extremists and those who believe in their beliefs, whether on the far left or right. 

You don't get to determine someone's faith.

That's one of the principles of religion. Nobody "owns" it.

In fact murderous Muslims are good Muslims according to the Koran so you don't have a leg to stand on.



tokilamockingbrd on 24 March 2017
VGPolyglot said:
tokilamockingbrd said:

exactly what are these far right groups "guilty" of besides not alighing with your view of the world?

Have you ever wondered why Muslims seem to "radicalize" so easily? It is because they are not radicalizing in the true sense. They just begin to take their holy teachings literally instead of in metaphor.

And it's impossible to take the entire Quran literally because it has so many contradictions. Therefore, they have to choose which parts to believe and which parts to ignore. And societal factors are what helps them choose which parts to follow.

yes, but my point is their holy text if taken at face value gives them a charge to wage Jihad in the way they are.

Compare this with Christianity. There is not one spot in the Bible where God gives his followers a blanket "license to kill" non believers. Yes in the Old Testament the Jews were told to kill, but it was always very specific(ie go destroy nation X), not something you can read as a reason to kill anyone else.

As the west became more literate it became harder for the Church to weaponize the faith (Crusades, Inquisitions, etc) because once people could read it for themselves they did not see any calls for violance. The inverse is true with Islam.

I am not saying I believe all Muslims are terrorist or support terrorism. I am just saying the religion of Islam due to its core doctrines has and will continue to see some its followers attack infedels.



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LadyJasmine on 24 March 2017

i always find it funny when Liberals defend Islam from all critique and say your racist...

 

Yet

Then dont say anything about this

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/montreal/imam-sermon-montreal-mosque-1.4037397

Imam calling for Jews to be killed in sermon at Montreal mosque draws police complaint

It is good muslims at large are against this but the reality is the man was invited and spoke to 100s of people who sat there and listened.



VGPolyglot on 24 March 2017
LadyJasmine said:

i always find it funny when Liberals defend Islam from all critique and say your racist...

 

Yet

Then dont say anything about this

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/montreal/imam-sermon-montreal-mosque-1.4037397

Imam calling for Jews to be killed in sermon at Montreal mosque draws police complaint

It is good muslims at large are against this but the reality is the man was invited and spoke to 100s of people who sat there and listened.

I'm not a liberal, so I guess I'm not who you're referring to, but yes, I think that Islamic radicalization is a problem. However, where I disagree are its origins an how to address it.