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A similar attack occurred in Antwerp, Belgium.



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The mayor of London once called moderate Muslims "Uncle Toms"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BPqHMcNUuP0

He had to apologize later under pressure
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nrHVWZ-oepk



UnderstatedCornHole said:
Puppyroach said:

But you know that's not true since if the terrorist was a Christian, newspaper would even hesitate to call the act terrorism, but rather discuss whether or not the person was mentally ill instead. The thing is that muslims are the target for the extreme right wing and muslim terrorists like this because it helps make some muslims feel distanced from society and then reach out to these terrorist organisations. And this is not unique in any way, it's a big explanation to how the KKK in the US has been able to recruit people and other right-wing terrorist organizations. It's just that muslims are a special target since the last 20 or so years.

This is simply not true.

In the UK at least for a long while and now in the US since the past few years. White guys are the bad guys by default and Muslims/Blacks/Women/Gays are presumed good and honourable when in a position that looks compromising.

Jo Cox an MP here in the UK was murdered last year, a man who was a racist murdered her who clearly WAS mentally ill, but the media at the time inferred links to neo-nazi-white-supremaist groups which were completely without any merit Even now, every few days her name is referrenced followed by Brexit and then linking Brexit to racism, then white supremacy. It never stops and it comes constantly from low IQ Labour MPs virtue signalling at every available opportunity.

It's intellectual dishonesty and your comment is in a way because you aren't being specific. The only media organization that calls out extremism is Fox News, the rest of the them do everything they can to excuse it.

Apologizing to extremeists encourages them further.

Dylan Roof is a prime example of when the assumption is that he was mentally ill, not a terrorist. Same goes for that guy that shot at people at an abortion clinic not long ago.

I'm for the law enforcement and media conveying the objective facts, not automatically assume anything based on a persons looks, ethnicity or religion. It shouldn't be that hard but it seems all to often that they aren't capable of making complex judgements of these cases.

There is no doubt that there are a large number of Muslims' terrorists in society, as well as terrorists within other religions to various degrees, would you agree?



In this case ISIS has stated that the attacker was a "soldier of the Islamic State" - it also happened on the anniversary of the Brussels attacks. The terrorists are very clear what their motives are - why not take them at their word?

https://www.bostonglobe.com/news/world/2017/03/23/says-london-attacker-was-soldier-islamic-state/0ciVpf7UPUeLiyS6S2wN2I/story.html



vivster said:
Islamists claiming they're muslims is like flat earthers claiming they're scientists.

But they are Muslims.



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Puppyroach said:
UnderstatedCornHole said:

This is simply not true.

In the UK at least for a long while and now in the US since the past few years. White guys are the bad guys by default and Muslims/Blacks/Women/Gays are presumed good and honourable when in a position that looks compromising.

Jo Cox an MP here in the UK was murdered last year, a man who was a racist murdered her who clearly WAS mentally ill, but the media at the time inferred links to neo-nazi-white-supremaist groups which were completely without any merit Even now, every few days her name is referrenced followed by Brexit and then linking Brexit to racism, then white supremacy. It never stops and it comes constantly from low IQ Labour MPs virtue signalling at every available opportunity.

It's intellectual dishonesty and your comment is in a way because you aren't being specific. The only media organization that calls out extremism is Fox News, the rest of the them do everything they can to excuse it.

Apologizing to extremeists encourages them further.

Dylan Roof is a prime example of when the assumption is that he was mentally ill, not a terrorist. Same goes for that guy that shot at people at an abortion clinic not long ago.

I'm for the law enforcement and media conveying the objective facts, not automatically assume anything based on a persons looks, ethnicity or religion. It shouldn't be that hard but it seems all to often that they aren't capable of making complex judgements of these cases.

There is no doubt that there are a large number of Muslims' terrorists in society, as well as terrorists within other religions to various degrees, would you agree?

Dylan roof, this guy in London, both are in the same category in my eyes. Though one is part of a serious continuing problem that isn't being addressed in any serious way at all.



UnderstatedCornHole said:
Puppyroach said:

Dylan Roof is a prime example of when the assumption is that he was mentally ill, not a terrorist. Same goes for that guy that shot at people at an abortion clinic not long ago.

I'm for the law enforcement and media conveying the objective facts, not automatically assume anything based on a persons looks, ethnicity or religion. It shouldn't be that hard but it seems all to often that they aren't capable of making complex judgements of these cases.

There is no doubt that there are a large number of Muslims' terrorists in society, as well as terrorists within other religions to various degrees, would you agree?

Dylan roof, this guy in London, both are in the same category in my eyes. Though one is part of a serious continuing problem that isn't being addressed in any serious way at all.

exactly, white nationalism should be addressed, but it's instead shoved under the rug, because it's all "just a few mental cases"

like the guy that killed a black man with a sword a few days ago

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-39363465



Lawlight said:
vivster said:
Islamists claiming they're muslims is like flat earthers claiming they're scientists.

But they are Muslims.

Yeah like the SS were Christians

Doing incredibly evil acts under the name of that religion doesn't make you accepted by 99.9% of the people of that religion, and yet for some they will blame all of the people of that religion for the evil done in their name 



Eagle367 said:
Fei-Hung said:

Three points:

1) there is a difference in Khawarijites and Muslims as in Islam, similar to Ahmeddis they are not seen as Muslims due to their vast alternative view and practice of Islam. In the case of the Kawani, their views are vastly different due to their radical twisted beliefs and practices.

2) there were 2 terrorist attacks over the last 2 days. The London one and another where USA by mistake bombed a Syrian school killing dozens which has barely received any publicity.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2017/mar/22/dozens-dead-in-us-led-syria-airstrike-al-mansoura

3) there must be a better way to honour the dead and injured than arguing on a forum.

Can I make a suggestion to the mods that we hold / create a fundraising page for a good cause so when something like this happens we respond in a positive way. Something like wishes for kids would be amazing.

The khawarijites are a sect of Islam since they follow the basics of belief in Allah and the last Prophet(pbuh). The ahmedis or qadiyanis don't believe in The last Prophet(pbuh) so a huge difference there. Khawarijites are akin to Sunnis shias wahabis or any other sect.

Yeah all the terrorist attacks by USA and Daesh and Taliban and al-qaeda are never reported if they occur in the middle east or Asia as a matter of fact. The Buddhist terrorism in Burma is also not reported. The Indian terrorism in India or any terrorism in Africa. Its only terrorism when the west is affected I guess

You're very wrong. According to Sahi Hadith the Khawarij are not Muslims. As the Prophet pbuh said, their words / prayers do not go beyond their throat and they as far removed from Islam as an arrow from a bow. 

 

http://dailyhadith.abuaminaelias.com/2014/09/18/hadith-on-khawarij-the-kharijites-come-with-beautiful-preaching-but-evil-deeds/



Lawlight said:
vivster said:
Islamists claiming they're muslims is like flat earthers claiming they're scientists.

But they are Muslims.

No. The only people who agree to this are the extremists and those who believe in their beliefs, whether on the far left or right.