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UnderstatedCornHole said:
Rab said:

Damn.. Your the other side of the same coin boyyo, people (muslim or non-muslim) with that reasoning are why we have this continuing conflict, wake up ffs 

No

MUSLIMS

MURDERING

INNOCENT

PEOPLE

INDISCRIMINATELY

Are why we have this conflict. Posts like yours perpetuate the conflict and create division.

The bad guys are murdering and your priority lies with condemning....Words.

Those murders arnt muslims to 99.9% of muslims, get your head out of your ar**



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Lawlight said:

First and foremost, let us correct one thing - a kid being raised to believe that all those who do not believe in their god should be beheaded is what the terrorists most likely are. So that kid holding that sign is not an insignificant thing.

I don't think you understand the concept of baiting.

But yes, I agree. It is unacceptable. Will the kid become a terrorist? Who knows. The majority of Terrorists in Australia however do not come from overseas. They are born in Australia. They are Australians.

Don't get me wrong, I am Atheist, I would prefer if no religion existed, it sets humanity back, religion often actively erodes scientific achievement.
However Australia is built on the pillars of "Freedom of Religion" and it's implied "Freedom from Religion" in the constitution. Which I will defend.

Of course the far-right groups like One Nation wishes to remove such protections from the Constitution and remove the Racial Discrimination Act.


Lawlight said:

Second thing - the Cronulla riots started because 8 Middle Eastern men attacked 2 surf life savers. Don't blame this on far right extremists. People got frustrated and tensions rose.

Correct.
But is it appropriate for groups of people to band together and start attacking innocent people in retaliation? We have law enforcement for a reason. They are trained in this field. Let them do their job.

Countering violence with violence is unacceptable.

Lawlight said:

The 2nd article gives no indication of the motive or name of the perpetrator.

Are you suggesting it's fictitious? But you are correct. They didn't mention his name.
But they do with this article: http://www.abc.net.au/news/2014-09-30/bail-refused-over-muslim-school-knife-threat/5778562

And here are supporting Articles:
http://www.theaustralian.com.au/news/nation/man-sought-over-knife-threat-at-islamic-school-in-sydney/news-story/554a2770e283e22b0405c08457ed11ab
http://www.smh.com.au/nsw/man-charged-over-sydney-islamic-school-knife-incident-20140926-10mw4c.html



Lawlight said:

3rd article - 2 extremists charged with property damage. They shot at the dome of a mosque at night. Not sure what they were trying to achieve there.

Terrorising of course.

Lawlight said:

5th one 6th one are about the same person (a half Asian man, btw) but those are 10+ years old artcle.

They were seperate events/issues however.

Lawlight said:


Last one is just a religious nutter but all those put together still pales in comparison to how many were arrested last year for plotting Islamists attacks.

Indeed. But the conservative powerbase is supported by the religious nutters. Case in point: The Australian Christian Lobby, Marriage Alliance etc'.

And yet. I can still provide more links. They were just an example to get a point across. Shall I provide some more?

Lawlight said:


Sorry but One Nation will never have power not do they have a voice in the extremely left-leaning media. I think a lot of their votes are from people tired of the usual politicians.

One Nation has power *now*. They don't need majority power to have power, they just need to hold the balance of power, which in many instances, they do.
Plus, allot of their policies align with the Liberals who are center-right wing. (Which makes sense, Pauline Hanson is an ex-liberal.)

Same thing goes with the nutty-greens who are far-left, they often align themselves with our center-left "Labor" party to get what they want, they don't need to hold the majority power to achieve their goals.

It's still a far cry from your last claim that the far-right have no voice. ;)

The majority of our News Papers is right-wing or center-right thanks to the Dominance News Corp has and is not Left leaning.
https://www.quora.com/Which-are-right-wing-media-and-left-wing-media-in-Australia

The ABC and SBS is Left-wing.

7 News, 9 News and their ilk tend to be more sensationalist.

Soundwave said:

I dunno about Australia, but in North America there's certainly been a lot of far right terrorism, and one of the big ones is these far right terrorists are so stupid they often end up targeting Sikhs (a completely different religion) thinking they're Muslims.

Far-right extremism seems to be gaining traction all across the western world.
Trump was a big push towards that, it allowed allot of groups to justify their positions. Brexit has fueled various groups as well.



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Saw what looked like a female bystander trying to take a picture of someone lying injured on the bridge  

It wouldn't surprise me if she had then posed for a selfie...  



Eagle367 said:
deskpro2k3 said:

^^^^
Those signs look like they got the same font.  very suspicious

You saying its fake. Photoshopped or something? It could be you can't trust anything these days but Muslims have that population that are just idiotic and extremist in their views like any other group so who knows. No human is immune of idiocy and hence no groups of humans are as well

all I said was that those signs look like they got the same font/text style. whoever made it clearly has malicious intent.



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Puppyroach said:
UnderstatedCornHole said:

It's big news if it's committed by a Muslim because someone murdering for make believe reasons and that's fucked up.

They don't give a shit if people are scared, they'll kill you either way.

Cut out the beta male subversion and stick to the topic.

But you know that's not true since if the terrorist was a Christian, newspaper would even hesitate to call the act terrorism, but rather discuss whether or not the person was mentally ill instead. The thing is that muslims are the target for the extreme right wing and muslim terrorists like this because it helps make some muslims feel distanced from society and then reach out to these terrorist organisations. And this is not unique in any way, it's a big explanation to how the KKK in the US has been able to recruit people and other right-wing terrorist organizations. It's just that muslims are a special target since the last 20 or so years.

This is simply not true.

In the UK at least for a long while and now in the US since the past few years. White guys are the bad guys by default and Muslims/Blacks/Women/Gays are presumed good and honourable when in a position that looks compromising.

Jo Cox an MP here in the UK was murdered last year, a man who was a racist murdered her who clearly WAS mentally ill, but the media at the time inferred links to neo-nazi-white-supremaist groups which were completely without any merit Even now, every few days her name is referrenced followed by Brexit and then linking Brexit to racism, then white supremacy. It never stops and it comes constantly from low IQ Labour MPs virtue signalling at every available opportunity.

It's intellectual dishonesty and your comment is in a way because you aren't being specific. The only media organization that calls out extremism is Fox News, the rest of the them do everything they can to excuse it.

Apologizing to extremeists encourages them further.



ManUtdFan said:

Saw what looked like a female bystander trying to take a picture of someone lying injured on the bridge  

It wouldn't surprise me if she had then posed for a selfie...  

An impulsive non virtuous choice, still rather that than stab the fuck out of an innocent police officer and ruin the lives of countless families, leaving children witout a mum and dad.

It's good to see you have your priorities right and reserve the "nausea" smiley for the right moment.



Soundwave said:

There is certainly a problem with violent Jihadists, particularly in Europe of late. I think the internet unfortunately has radicalized a lot of people who aren't fitting in or are frustrated with their life. Unfortunately for people who don't socialize well, instead of being forced to do so at some point, the internet provides an "out" by networking them into whatever niche they think they fit into, and quite often that's not good. 

On the other end of the spectrum though, far more people are being killed in the Middle East and no one gives much of a shit.

The US bombed a school accidentally (?) just today that killed at least 30 people.

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/worl...hool-1.3020369

49 people were killed in a bomb strike a week prior to that.

All this because really we love oil so much that we had to go over there and stir a hornet's nest. Now we're in a cycle of what seems like unending violence. 

Your first paragraph is right on the money.

It then descends into regressive false equivalence playbook 101. America bombed a school by accident where there was a legitiamte hostile target and you are making a comparison with that and the inentional murder of innocent civilizans where the target was - innocent civilizans.

Two different issues, neither are "righteous", and they are completely unrelated apart from the possible use of the propaganda for your first paragraph, but you don't seem to be interested in fleshing out the intellectual side of that, instead, simply blaming and drawing up a false equivalence.



UnderstatedCornHole said:
Soundwave said:

There is certainly a problem with violent Jihadists, particularly in Europe of late. I think the internet unfortunately has radicalized a lot of people who aren't fitting in or are frustrated with their life. Unfortunately for people who don't socialize well, instead of being forced to do so at some point, the internet provides an "out" by networking them into whatever niche they think they fit into, and quite often that's not good. 

On the other end of the spectrum though, far more people are being killed in the Middle East and no one gives much of a shit.

The US bombed a school accidentally (?) just today that killed at least 30 people.

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/worl...hool-1.3020369

49 people were killed in a bomb strike a week prior to that.

All this because really we love oil so much that we had to go over there and stir a hornet's nest. Now we're in a cycle of what seems like unending violence. 

Your first paragraph is right on the money.

It then descends into regressive false equivalence playbook 101. America bombed a school by accident where there was a legitiamte hostile target and you are making a comparison with that and the inentional murder of innocent civilizans where the target was - innocent civilizans.

Two different issues, neither are "righteous", and they are completely unrelated apart from the possible use of the propaganda for your first paragraph, but you don't seem to be interested in fleshing out the intellectual side of that, instead, simply blaming and drawing up a false equivalence.

I'm just pointing out, no one gives a shit about those people. 

There's something like 200,000+ civilians killed in Iraq and Afghanistan, that means for every one person that perished tragically in the World Trade Center, 67 died in those countries who had nothing to do with it. Is that equivalent?

They are related, terrorism didn't magically spring from no where, it's here because we kept poking a bear in the middle east because we're greedy for oil and now there's an unending cycle of violence thanks to extremist nuts being emboldened. 

It doesn't take a rocket scientist to understand why a lot of people there hate the West or can be easily radicalized. Having one of your family members blown apart in a "accidental" bombing for instance. 



vivster said:
Islamists claiming they're muslims is like flat earthers claiming they're scientists.

A lot of people believe they are.

But then again, the same can go for people believing flat earthers are scientists too.

People in one group are much more likely to also be in the other than an average person.



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