Ka-pi96 said:
Qwark said:
More than 90% of Turkey's landmass lies in Asia. Only half of Istanbul lies in Europe. Russia lies for 66% in Asia. Just because a country participates in European contests doesn't mean they are European. Or are countries as Azerbeidzjan, Kazachstan and Israël suddenly European too.
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Turkey are more disputable, but I still consider them culturally European.
Russia however are definitely European. For much of their history Russia was entirely within Europe, and even now that Siberia is part of Russia too the main parts of it are all still in Europe. The vast majority of Russia's population and wealth is in the European part of it. The vast majority of people in Russia are Slavic (a European ethnicity). The Russian language is a European language and uses a European writing system, They may have more land in Asia than Europe, but the suggestion that Russia is more Asian than European is just wrong.
Edit: Also worth mentioning that like Russia the majority of Denmark's territory isn't in Europe (Greenland is in North America), yet I don't see anyone saying they're not a European country...
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You are wrong. Both Turkey and Russia are undoubtedly Asian and the fact that people in the West can't comprehend this causes a lot of trouble way too often.
Turks are undeniably Asian. They come from central Asia and have conquered European soil only a few centuries ago, but there's nothing European about them. No case here to call them European.
Russians used to be Europeans in the beginning, when the Slavs were separating into the main 3 groups that we can distinguish to this day. But ever since the Mongols conquered them in early 13th century, they got totally detached from Europe and European civilization. Their culture, mindset, values have nothing in common with those of Europe. If anyone of you thinks differently, I'm gonna leave you with a famous quote of the legendary gen. Patton:
"The difficulty in understanding the Russian is that we do not take cognizance of the fact that he is not a European, but an Asiatic, and therefore thinks deviously. We can no more understand a Russian than a Chinese or a Japanese, and from what I have seen of them, I have no particular desire to understand them except to ascertain how much lead or iron it takes to kill them. In addition to his other amiable characteristics, the Russian has no regard for human life and they are all out sons-of-bitches, barbarians, and chronic drunks."
Take it from me, a person who understands Russians more than you in the West ever will - he was 100% true. If you want to know where Europe and European civililzation ends in the East, just look at where the Eastern borders of the Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth used to be. These are the furthest places the European civilization reached in this part of Europe.
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